From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2022 14:48:31 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87h74ztshe.fsf@gmx.de> <871qw31ois.fsf@yahoo.com> <8735gj4ceo.fsf@gnu.org> <87ee038ipt.fsf@gmx.de> <87o7z61v59.fsf@gmail.com> <87bkv527p5.fsf@gmail.com> <835yld93w7.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5t0yrn.fsf@gmail.com> <87k09scotc.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37580"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Tim Cross , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 07 20:49:55 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nyeH4-0009PJ-Dn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 20:49:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36970 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nyeH2-0001m9-VI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 14:49:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36852) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nyeFw-0000Yy-Ga for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 14:48:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:35555) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nyeFt-0006uj-Ab for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2022 14:48:43 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 1ECA61007FD; Tue, 7 Jun 2022 14:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 2CE7110009E; Tue, 7 Jun 2022 14:48:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1654627713; bh=a/4tYguDDyzJDRTZvLps6EFs3vANMHk3+mYX8an1ABc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=YK4WTGyuiz5GFCSgBl8uTqew9nVGuE5myu5/JiYp/5Hp7r9gOefKdJJX+T3tj6uON KfNPN8pgQGUf7XQWSVwSTT5edc/wjxhL5/GceAzf/SM5b3Vu4zxX+9/D1KXALnmJbL QVZ+XA8GhS4IzdwEMBlymtqDOSGobDhqbqmN/bd2cHPKu2a1V6LR5CDb4gWBxDkFv3 +7A43cIIrVgndl7MWCS/3gWdNH2O0FrNxvR7e8UM9MbwuVokkGJHSK8B+CJ6y3ZsrQ lyIMblYzV8e1lBDT5CAOBvZytGnECkHwCi8QC7Az51LMHcs3s8JucYjOC60qVbabvd hdVU+V2LnkUIA== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.44.229.252]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DC936120346; Tue, 7 Jun 2022 14:48:32 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87k09scotc.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 07 Jun 2022 20:26:39 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290874 Archived-At: > I think that people that use Org mode wouldn't be very interested in > that, and people that don't use Org can just continue editing those > files with `M-x find-file-literally', really. Doing so is fine. I was thinking of files like etc/NEWS where having "a bit more than outline-mode" would be welcome. > But I don't understand the discussion this thread warped out of. When > we display a README from Package, we shouldn't be showing the raw text > of README.org or README.md Why not? If it can be prettified on the fly by font-lock? Separating "viewing" from "editing" is un-Emacsish, because it puts a barrier between the "consumers" and the "producers" whereas Emacs likes to try and get end-users exposed to the source as mush as possible so it takes little effort for them to change role. Stefan