From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Faces applies to new frames
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:42:20 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv7ic8ca2r.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1KCyhM-000382-FW@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:20:16 -0400")
> I think we need to change the way faces are specified,
> and use something that is (1) simpler and (2) predictable.
No argument.
> AFAIK, the main situation where setting face attributes via
> frame-parameters is useful/used is for things like
> minibuffer-frame-alist (where I use it to give a special font and
> background to my minibuffer-only frame(s)), and special-display-regexps.
> Would buffer-based interfaces be good for these jobs?
> They might be better in every way.
Could be, but currently we don't have any easy way to do it within
the buffer. Especially not for minibuffer-only frames which may show
various buffers, all of them internal. But yes, it's quite feasible.
> Perhaps we should eliminate the per-frame face attributes, and have
> only per-buffer ways to alter faces from the global specifications.
I'd tend to agree, although of course, having had per-frame faces for so
long has encouraged people to find uses for per-frame faces, some of
which may require a bit of work to port to per-buffer faces.
E.g. I use a dedicated frame for my MPC.el (a front-end to the MPD
daemon, see www.musicpd.org), but that frames contains many different
windows showing different buffer. I currently set the frame to use
a proportional font (helvetica-like) because it uses a bit less space
and I find it somewhat nicer to look at, and none of those buffers
suffer from the usual alignment/filling problems we encounter with
proportional fonts in Emacs. Making the setting per-buffer is possible,
but requires changing the face individually in each buffer, which is
less satisfactory. Not a strong argument in favor of per-frame faces,
just a data point.
> One benefit of that is that it would avoid the uncertainty about
> precedence, which we have now when both users and defaults can specify
> face attributes at various levels. It would be clear and natural that
> any per-buffer face specification overrides the global ones,
> regardless of who set either one of them.
The mere fact of changing from per-frame to per-buffer won't solve the
underlying precedence problem. But if we get rid of settings coming
from frame parameters and Xresources, then yes, things become simpler
(both for per-buffer and for per-frame faces).
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-06-29 19:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-06-26 22:50 Faces applies to new frames Chong Yidong
2008-06-26 23:08 ` Miles Bader
2008-06-27 1:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-27 2:43 ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-27 6:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-27 17:32 ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-27 17:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-27 17:54 ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-27 10:48 ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-06-27 12:17 ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-06-28 16:01 ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-28 20:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-28 23:42 ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-29 3:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-29 3:42 ` Miles Bader
2008-06-29 4:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-29 4:43 ` Miles Bader
2008-06-29 4:47 ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-29 8:51 ` David Kastrup
2008-06-29 5:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-29 15:20 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-06-29 17:08 ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-30 14:43 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-06-29 19:42 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2008-06-30 14:43 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-06-29 4:30 ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-29 6:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-29 15:25 ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-29 18:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-29 19:24 ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-29 20:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-29 20:29 ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-30 0:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-30 2:24 ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-30 4:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-06-30 5:02 ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-30 14:43 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-06-29 2:48 ` Chong Yidong
2008-06-29 3:41 ` Stefan Monnier
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