From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:07:03 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417792068 5581 80.91.229.3 (5 Dec 2014 15:07:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Eric S. Raymond" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 05 16:07:41 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XwuTm-0006Dr-PN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:07:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50842 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwuTm-0000QZ-1q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:07:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58189) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwuTR-0000QI-Ft for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:07:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwuTJ-0007rH-Tb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:07:13 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:14951) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwuTJ-0007r8-QS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:07:05 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsPAOwQflRMCqTq/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVaxR0EAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCws0EhQYDSSISgnWWQEBAQcBAQEBHpBvB4RIBYsBpC6BeIQZIYJ3AQEB X-IPAS-Result: AjsPAOwQflRMCqTq/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVaxR0EAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCws0EhQYDSSISgnWWQEBAQcBAQEBHpBvB4RIBYsBpC6BeIQZIYJ3AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,502,1413259200"; d="scan'208";a="99638313" Original-Received: from 76-10-164-234.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.164.234]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 05 Dec 2014 10:07:03 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id B596787F8; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:07:03 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> (Eric S. Raymond's message of "Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:35:49 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178937 Archived-At: > I have discussed this with RMS and, pending my ability to actually write > proper translation tools, we have agreed on asciidoc as a new master > format. This is what should replace Texinfo and the gallimaufry of > ad-hoc text files like /etc/CONTRIBUTE and the admin/notes stuff. I must say I have a hard time believing that Richard made the decision to ditch Texinfo and move to AsciiDoc. Could we hear it from the horse's mouth? Is AsciiDoc (going to be) a GNU package? But from Emacs's point of view, I'd be perfectly fine with using something like AsciiDoc, RST, MarkDown, you name it: we have already discussed the need to use such a markup for the "Commentary:" section of Elisp packages, and indeed we've also already discussed the need to replace Info with something higher-level such that we can more easily change the text's appearance. Of course, we wouldn't want to lose the ability to view the docs within Emacs itself (rather than requiring Firefox) while disconnected from the net. And neither do we want to lose the `index' facility of Info. Stefan