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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Kelly Dean <kelly@prtime.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: The purpose of makunbound
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 09:34:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv7fvfwb0s.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <UCdr77U0nLinPwNgq5KHZOYuLtR6j8SuOabcnTwm4Vq@local> (Kelly Dean's message of "Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:51:41 +0000")

>>> What's the use case of doing makunbound on a dynamically let-bound variable?
>> What's the use case for disallowing it?
> Catching errors.  If some code F does makunbound on a symbol that it assumes
> is currently used as the global variable, but F is called from some other
> code that dynamically let-binds the symbol, then F will accidentally set the
> dynamic variable to the special unboundedness value rather than unbind the
> global variable.

Why would that be an error?  How often have you bumped into that error?

> If that's a bogus thing to do, then by disallowing it, the interpreter could
> catch the error.

I don't know if that would be bogus or not, because I don't know why
makunbound was called in your example.

And remember: a (dynamically scoped) `let' does not necessarily mean to
make a local binding, it can also be understood to mean to temporarily
change the global variable (i.e. it's just a shorthand for

   (let ((old <var>))
     (unwind-protect
         (progn (setq <var> <val>)
                ,@body)
       (setq <var> old)))

with the advantage that it doesn't burp in the first line of <var> is
unbound and it properly sets it back to unbound in the end in that
case).

You talk about "global variable" vs "dynamic variable", but that
difference is only in your head because of the interpretation you chose.


        Stefan



  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-18 14:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-20  2:54 Proposal to change cursor appearance to indicate region activation Kelly Dean
2013-04-20  7:23 ` Drew Adams
2015-01-22  5:38   ` [PATCH] " Kelly Dean
2015-01-22 14:25     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-23  3:08       ` [PATCH] " Kelly Dean
2015-01-23  4:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-23 11:07           ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-23 17:49             ` Drew Adams
2015-01-24  3:06               ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-24  4:52                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-24  9:22                   ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-25 14:29                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-28  9:15                       ` [PATCH] Run hook when variable is set Kelly Dean
2015-01-28  9:23                         ` [PATCH] Proposal to change cursor appearance to indicate region activation Kelly Dean
2015-01-28 11:24                           ` David Kastrup
2015-01-28 12:13                             ` David Kastrup
2015-01-29 10:46                             ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-29 11:16                               ` David Kastrup
2015-01-30  7:20                                 ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-30  9:19                                   ` David Kastrup
2015-01-30 10:05                                     ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-30 10:12                                       ` David Kastrup
2015-01-30  9:43                                   ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-28 19:25                         ` [PATCH] Run hook when variable is set Stefan Monnier
2015-01-29  8:20                           ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-29  8:28                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-29 14:58                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-30  7:34                               ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-30 15:55                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-31  9:18                                   ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-31 20:48                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-02  5:40                                       ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-02 15:57                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-03 19:56                                           ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-03 22:49                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-05  3:10                                               ` [PATCH] (Updated) " Kelly Dean
2015-02-05 13:57                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-06  5:34                                                   ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-06 14:42                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07 12:27                                                       ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-07 15:09                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-09  3:24                                                           ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-12 19:58                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-13 23:08                                                               ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-14  0:55                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-14 22:19                                                                   ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-15 20:25                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-17  2:22                                                                       ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-17 23:07                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-18  3:19                                                                           ` The purpose of makunbound (Was: Run hook when variable is set) Kelly Dean
2015-02-18  5:48                                                                             ` The purpose of makunbound Stefan Monnier
2015-02-18  8:51                                                                               ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-18 14:34                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2015-02-18 18:53                                                                                   ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-18 22:42                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-19 10:36                                                                                       ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-22  0:18                                                                                   ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-19 10:45                                                                           ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-19 13:33                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-19 23:51                                                                               ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-20  1:59                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-20  9:35                                                                                   ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-20 16:55                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-20  2:58                                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-20  0:56                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-20  9:02                                                                               ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-20 15:41                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-21  5:45                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-22  0:32                                                                                     ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-22  8:45                                                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2015-02-18  5:15                                                                         ` [PATCH] (Updated) Run hook when variable is set Kelly Dean
2015-02-18 22:37                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-18 22:37                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-19 10:35                                                                           ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-19 13:30                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-20  6:48                                                                               ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-20 19:29                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-21 14:18                                                                                   ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-21 20:51                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-22  0:32                                                                                       ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-22 10:40                                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-22 21:35                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-23  3:09                                                                                           ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-23  4:19                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-20 20:27                                                                               ` Proposal for debugging/testing option Kelly Dean
2015-02-24 16:28                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-14 20:37                                                               ` [PATCH] (Updated) Run hook when variable is set Johan Bockgård
2015-02-15 19:36                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-15 19:53                                                                   ` Patches: inline vs. attachment, compressed vs. uncompressed. [was: Run hook when variable is set] Alan Mackenzie
2015-02-06  9:55                                                   ` [PATCH] (Updated) Run hook when variable is set Kelly Dean
2015-01-30 23:29                                 ` [PATCH] " Richard Stallman
2015-01-31  9:23                                   ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-31 23:16                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-02  5:41                                       ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-01  2:04                               ` Alexis
2015-02-01  4:05                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-01  8:58                                   ` David Kastrup
2015-01-29 16:06                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-30  7:14                               ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-30  9:08                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-23 20:34             ` [PATCH] Proposal to change cursor appearance to indicate region activation Stefan Monnier
2015-01-24  0:25               ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-23 10:01         ` Tassilo Horn
2015-01-23 17:49           ` Drew Adams
2015-01-23 10:06         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-23 11:40           ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-23 11:56             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-22  5:41   ` Kelly Dean
2013-11-23 13:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-23 20:25   ` Drew Adams

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