From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Summary and next steps for (package-initialize) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 05:04:58 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83tw12cocz.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1503306334 26948 195.159.176.226 (21 Aug 2017 09:05:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:05:34 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 21 11:05:25 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1djie8-0006Fr-Rk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:05:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54861 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djieC-0003GF-AP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 05:05:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35828) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djie4-0003FG-86 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 05:05:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djidy-0007hW-C2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 05:05:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=33235 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1djidy-0007dJ-5K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 05:05:10 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1djidn-0005Sb-48 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:04:59 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Bl0+xK+S7SS9C+lH0So/uSzDYAk= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217648 Archived-At: > I think we should instead explore the possibility that > package-initialize will be called only in startup.el. I think this is unlikely to work well. I think a better long-term ideal situation is either: - call package-initialize before reading ~/.emacs (this will require finding some way to handle the case where the user wants to change package.el's configuration in his .emacs). - call package-initialize automatically when needed, by having a more declarative way to configure packages in ~/.emacs. The first approach looks easier from where I sit, but that's just a gut feeling. In the short term, we can tweak the current approach so that package--ensure-init-file is called in fewer cases. E.g. only call it during package installation rather than at Emacs startup. Stefan