From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Namespacing Emacs's core (was: [ELPA] New package: transient) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 10:26:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li> <83y2qezlpd.fsf@gnu.org> <83tv12zjx1.fsf@gnu.org> <20200429101755.GF24737@tuxteam.de> <83pnbqzimz.fsf@gnu.org> <20200429105233.GG24737@tuxteam.de> <20200430132812.GD1444@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="29346"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Arthur Miller , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 30 16:27:38 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jUAA6-0007UV-Bg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:27:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55600 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUAA5-0006UP-94 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 10:27:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60638) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUA9J-00057d-Ms for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 10:26:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUA9H-00007B-Kw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 10:26:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:4252) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUA9H-00006s-3b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 10:26:47 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id E0EBE45071E; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 10:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 6B0A4450713; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 10:26:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1588256804; bh=GDlY8nT1oP9xAvMiq/ZCQxKs4XwyJf7Tqqcy1uAoMY4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=c2jz2QnogRdYlmuIK6Mx98uxEIBgxf8RFPgSv4hBDJN6wpiOSuAAnxZPq82EHOW/P zoDL4G4u+UzYN1d5xl2dGfv4sK3qKSFD6VDNB3lxDVb91PJ8eKQt0ouq2jKurBnpHa guC93yvHvu3lU5OhTIXCCHmO8tHb1+B7ferdh00MZ07q6pzvmspdP9K5WduJXFSz8V AwQdP8wRC2hMEm8mhttbReUVeUsYU1sV/qJudV8vwJmcFYh+8joRThmLtDTlnRV2CH dlKW8BTOVyDDwiQsqAK6e81oGtYh+d3ur+X7J/hhrgzEr9BSwxfsyAOZiw7AUng2ZU Dr/Zrx8LR08Cg== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.3.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 13E0C120229; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 10:26:44 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20200430132812.GD1444@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de's message of "Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:28:12 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/30 10:26:46 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 132.204.25.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248239 Archived-At: > Where am I? I'd leave traditional Lisp names where they are. When > inventing new names, by all means try to make them regular (which, > as we know, is hard /and/ impossible, but trying already helps). Just to be clear: while I am in favor of considering some renaming to improve the regularity of our names (among other reasons), I have no intention to rename the world and especially not core Lisp elements like car/cdr (e.g. I find Common Lisp's `first` to be worthless (`car` returns the first element when applied to a list, but cons cells are used for more than lists, and if you want to get the first element of a list, `nth 0` works just as well)). Stefan