From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: dash.el [was: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs] Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 11:52:33 -0400 Message-ID: References: <0c88192c-3c33-46ed-95cb-b4c6928016e3@default> <873686bbl5.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87d07963ec.fsf@fastmail.fm> <873685dq73.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87wo5gc0kb.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87lflv5yzx.fsf@bernoul.li> <433E8CA0-CC87-4877-B9D4-D348531B73F8@medranocalvo.com> <87lflsyfwu.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87r1vgsu7c.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <87pnb0roem.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="82726"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: jonas@bernoul.li, Richard Stallman , joostkremers@fastmail.fm, adrian@medranocalvo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ohwoeowho@gmail.com, Phillip Lord To: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 19 17:53:32 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jb4Yd-000LQM-Vo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 17:53:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36238 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jb4Yd-0005Zb-1S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 11:53:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53188) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jb4Xo-0004Bv-Qn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 11:52:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:35055) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jb4Xn-0000hh-Hv; Tue, 19 May 2020 11:52:40 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 50BB410033A; Tue, 19 May 2020 11:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B8BD21002CF; Tue, 19 May 2020 11:52:35 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1589903555; bh=VJyAohnALIg0/UABVr5O9zHyLVKbfhoqYS+pGFRR9OI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=hgYnbSfKHueLHMKQ7RVZl8G9jQVVhZL+c455qDYbXjCaFZyK7gE7veshvYMr5UHJX myz+1EFXlHc5B+OCjJDyhJEC6RwFZBDVMI5blUouoR/uvBpBm9+4WUbG3uUMf8XLgy TQs77MaQXbEnvB/AofweoogaSIWqhm+SNIy0zbfw13VkYT38GIbId53GGZO58jvdpf t++Ky77rPzroYBs9jTl/hGq4FiLMxSTazPKHmUsuursk3lt9aUEGzG1Z8cOlEooE51 tcYUgZnhI5oWRW8IMpI6bGNNLPrijzc0SNWegQ2FxmiRdYcUeXb9ChWgqJEb4hhGXs SzJHM66ZYMQrQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.27.250]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47C3E120689; Tue, 19 May 2020 11:52:35 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87pnb0roem.fsf@gkayaalp.com> (=?utf-8?B?IkfDtmt0dcSf?= Kayaalp"'s message of "Tue, 19 May 2020 17:26:57 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/19 11:02:05 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250958 Archived-At: > IMHO, we shouldn=E2=80=99t be that protective of non-programming users. = After > all, almost all concepts they=E2=80=99ll have to work with will be novel = to > them, so I doubt a few shorthands would make that big of a difference. Agreed, which is why I think it's perfectly fine to have anonymous lambdas in there [even tho they are still "scary higher-order programming" to many professional programmers, last I checked ;-) ] We don't disagree on the advantages and disadvantages. We just disagree on the respective weight we put on them. Stefan