From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Regarding outline headings in emacs-lisp libraries Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 10:36:11 -0400 Message-ID: References: <875zalolt7.fsf@bernoul.li> <87pn8fo3dg.fsf@bernoul.li> <837duiex1f.fsf@gnu.org> <87ime2t6h0.fsf@bernoul.li> <83sgd5aus1.fsf@gnu.org> <83a6zbbydl.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14208"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: jonas@bernoul.li, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 03 16:37:06 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k2baM-0003aC-6l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2020 16:37:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40258 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k2baL-0008Vh-7i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2020 10:37:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39584) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k2bZa-0007pb-A2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2020 10:36:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:44687) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k2bZY-0005Fd-2I; Mon, 03 Aug 2020 10:36:17 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B0FA8440C18; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 10:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 3F983440BF9; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 10:36:12 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1596465372; bh=Y3z/F7BGVtRfBO7yktuCjYKUHm5ElOTtppADNqtLkYs=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=XDXPiW6vF3X0ixH7m80+IzzrExCG5lQBhVuhMvTd8bvoKgQ6PtV2GZGeZnQKaF29A g264XumypAWm3hBXtL6n20xy3daO1nTYK1yrgjy57OTDBUJx/Q6azjL6gdrpqF+9wF l4Joz+Ek5wW+bjYZ0obXsYiRHhewgLN3JwmjdFQrFJWsUvxdU1QVtPOlh7MlLWeYqd otiKvNVduJg/AhtX7957MrWSv2ZOWhT78QyDEUPhkEN5MRpaHdWN4u+WOYfWFI3ZRS QPbmvROa8SkNk9QVHqCKnHSfQCHfvToWTfk1qf/UX0XiPEPJXWWkjNWLURCi+86V2H hO40qAvdn5YqQ== Original-Received: from milanesa (unknown [45.72.246.108]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0493D120246; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 10:36:11 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83a6zbbydl.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 03 Aug 2020 17:24:54 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/03 10:36:13 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:253412 Archived-At: > If we don't know about such scripts, do we really need to assume they > exist? > > And what kind of scripts did you have in mind -- scripts which do what > jobs? The same kinds of scripts as those running on elpa.gnu.org. I've had scripts that looked for `;;; Code:`. I've replaced them with code that relies on other features of the code since then, but that makes me expect that there are such scripts out there. >> Now, if the benefit were significant, I wouldn't mind, but AFAICT, the >> benefit of renaming is very small (at least, given the alternative names >> I've seen proposed so far which all seemed rather bland). > It's IMO as significant when compared to the rest of Jonas's proposal. Fair point, Stefan