From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-x o is moving between frames. [Was: Stop frames stealing eachothers' minibuffers!] Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 14:40:52 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83y2k8y6qs.fsf@gnu.org> <20201014194904.GD7651@ACM> <83sgafy56d.fsf@gnu.org> <20201015180143.GA10229@ACM> <83wnzrwdy5.fsf@gnu.org> <20201021151945.GA19276@ACM> <20201021200438.GF19276@ACM> <83h7qmkzla.fsf@gnu.org> <20201023204257.GB5249@ACM> <837drghyo0.fsf@gnu.org> <20201024154455.GB5972@ACM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27983"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 24 20:41:52 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kWOUB-0007Cw-PT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 20:41:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33424 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kWOUA-00014H-OB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 14:41:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48286) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kWOTT-0000bc-PW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 14:41:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:55801) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kWOTO-0008PJ-95; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 14:41:07 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 07A4E4405DD; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 14:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B275B4405D2; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 14:40:58 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1603564858; bh=8uL19YmJp69PFT0rh8qsaOsTEYVOmmlvNoCmfqSxeWs=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=KCVa428IZJqtqkJNiLh6fzxBHa4Gw7qrq6xkb1ZgnfTYpxl3DJk3+7PhVzYsILc6I HPGjmXTltVJOrVrDylwr88pECzKCxp4Uidc+pl5N5wDUlw082dlUKMSQ3ZAIqyZjHe YMVNlpRQJ4n0J+iXTM1WHno9nG0DNo2U5lu/wL5Pk+jHk15aJk1/36JaVJw0vdMqlS HA2zDITpYa0FNv41Z/tJ0C/S/rPSllsLHRZPLz/3e+nYKLo8FcGFrox7BStA7p/MHC Vu41KvtvIeKfaKaH7O4lqxc8BEvO9Cm4zuagR7x4QB4vRUPjiCWhSD7arssv3qbCFL Jf2vLEG14oXdQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [157.52.9.240]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 66BBD120283; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 14:40:58 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20201024154455.GB5972@ACM> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Sat, 24 Oct 2020 15:44:55 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/24 14:41:00 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258432 Archived-At: > At the moment, when I create a setup with three frames, exactly one of > which is a "normal" frame with minibuffer, my C-x o can be made wrongly > to cycle between all three frames. Depending on what you need to do before this can happen, I wouldn't necessarily worry about this particular issue too much because "the right behavior" is very hard (if not impossible) to define precisely in such a way that it makes sense in all cases. FWIW, I still haven't found anyone using a setup like the one you describe. The ones I know are: - one minibuffer-only frame and all other frames a minibuffer-less; At least "per terminal": there can also be at the same time a normal tty frame (with minibuffer and all), or a second X11 display with its own minibuffer-only frame, ... - all normal frames, except potentially a few very special minibuffer-less frames used for very special purposes (behaving more like things like tooltips, or tool bars or ...). > It is bugs like this I must fix, and my feeling at the moment is that > there will be more than just that one. If you can reproduce the problem without your patch, then I hope you won't count it as a bug, otherwise it'll never end. Stefan