From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: decision on moving core packages to ELPA; also move to obsolete? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:03:57 -0500 Message-ID: References: <86a6ugnopl.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <83im94b17m.fsf@gnu.org> <834kknatxs.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38861"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org, Daniele Nicolodi , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 15 18:09:48 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpDpc-0009xq-QZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 18:09:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39440 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpDpb-0000IK-Md for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:09:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49608) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpDk6-0003T5-Cl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:04:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:65519) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpDk1-0001Lf-PW; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:04:05 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 1D46610025D; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:04:00 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B2721100236; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:03:58 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1608051838; bh=lMr54nyGyaQEzhuKs+d4I3eCDNcZQTm4dkLZ1fEdB1s=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=SV9YXgAi6X7XXFzKrjOVuaua7yB3Ye7ExJxfV+nPrlgRm90ikIpC7bY+rfjjgq4uF Bs5mu0O1pJ1SkuDyGEbsgMbuFx2OcmWNPRaRnJ26DnCDr9+Idgq2nZF+zCFCASATsY rlxjkPPr9odvLhf0ncPDfHyVVO1XWSoIcc2tzoFuVZTPRJEI6JnLJlqa1kFvWnvxuO 8CjoZttcPjVkHdLR36mMbRfecvbwny/LM6E6oDBqDoOwJFvPPsl0ICRPsu0kiAajcZ nj+8ywXrJ6QE3sB2j2JNGHbLZITZU3C8Vl+Qr9Qpf3jOP1yY3MbhHr+3hm/fYX7d+M 7vy32QviFPIVA== Original-Received: from alfajor (69-165-136-52.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.165.136.52]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6C69F1201BD; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:03:58 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <834kknatxs.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 15 Dec 2020 18:57:19 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260883 Archived-At: >> Org is distributed as part of Emacs but it is routinely also >> installed and updated from ELPA and AFAIK it does not implement any >> special trick to make this work smotly. > The idea is that users should be able to install, upgrade, and > downgrade such packages exactly like they do with unbundled ones. I still don't see what's the problem. With current Emacs, users can upgrade/downgrade their version of Org, python.el (etc...) via `list-packages`. Clearly the same would apply to bundled ELPA packages. Stefan