From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2021 18:49:38 -0400 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13517"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stefan Kangas , Elias =?windows-1252?Q?M=E5rtenson?= , Philip K. , Daniel Fleischer , Richard Stallman , emacs-devel , Dmitry Gutov , Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 04 00:50:44 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mMI1D-0003Kh-RP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 00:50:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60520 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMI1C-0005yF-7T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 18:50:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42522) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMI0J-00057d-PH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 18:49:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:29376) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMI0G-0000Tx-IU; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 18:49:46 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 12139806A3; Fri, 3 Sep 2021 18:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B15C880675; Fri, 3 Sep 2021 18:49:41 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1630709381; bh=/vMfTwezzXCyAH8aL7VLCZK+TYJ+mH0MrrgnuImwnkQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=G427JRab6z9CJNIC/XicAsft7s7uuhT8Cgi0XEH2wZa/qQ9v82xtB4kYfZ/TL7wLu y7hdXkccAOCbvbm+v9cqKGpjPOyAOUlSfsVD49TpBavEQTA83vBQhrxFwjVDB+s+Ko 18wK5iirs6o5pNGeIEblWHuCs9q7jWRuEqMVjZ6K5mVyHW/Dau1mjkKn5HGnpHGlIb u8jJVvlNQ71OAp1muyXozBLEPuorAX02GdTF5E+dQFDvkXl39aQpOVX0mOKOzdHXJE HDbMe+9ADSkGcKk+zH+0l07st0yl3Gya/IX+UQSKzIUWhdkUaY454y0RTjyx+BTVWy w7DFp8WXJTRFw== Original-Received: from milanesa (unknown [104.247.244.135]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 66176120171; Fri, 3 Sep 2021 18:49:39 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 3 Sep 2021 18:00:41 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273822 Archived-At: > Con: It's not the same thing. The `kill-ring' > is not what non-emacsers are used to. [ This is all very hypothetical, so it clearly doesn't matter, but IMO the difference is small enough not to matter when it comes to choosing this key binding, IMO. ] > This is similar to the pros & cons for words > in different languages that look the same or > similar, and may (or may not) have similar > meanings and uses, but can nevertheless be > quite different in some respects. > > In French they're called "faux amis" - fake > friends. Nope. "Faux amis" are words whose core meanings are just plain different, whereas "Cut" and `kill-region` fundamentally mean pretty much the same thing (with some minor differences). > We should consider adopting (and improving!) something that provides > real improvement, not just something that's the flavor of the month > (or the decade). `C-x` for "Cut" has been standard for a lot more than a decade. Stefan