From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tweaking the output of `C-h b' Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2021 14:18:08 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87lf29xdkf.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7cxx9bh.fsf@gnus.org> <87zgqpvtky.fsf@gnus.org> <87v91dvt6y.fsf@gnus.org> <87o874vhp2.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0hsvgvv.fsf@gnus.org> <87bl34iosa.fsf@yahoo.com> <875ytcigzr.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h7cwm4xm.fsf@gnu.org> <87v91bol47.fsf@gmail.com> <83tugvlrrb.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0hrrdw7.fsf@gnus.org> <83pmrjlrhw.fsf@gnu.org> <877ddrrdkw.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8314"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , luangruo@yahoo.com, orontee@gmail.com, stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 01 20:35:29 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mhd5c-0001ve-EW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 20:35:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48386 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhd5b-0001gj-6j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 15:35:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44582) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhbsz-0007ZH-U7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 14:18:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:7908) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhbsv-0005nI-Rb; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 14:18:20 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A691E440F4A; Mon, 1 Nov 2021 14:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 3F769440F2E; Mon, 1 Nov 2021 14:18:14 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1635790694; bh=Kyt62tKmMp3W5Fyv5CXorNw93sYJYm/51dhEZNIq9b8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Dd11CyQ6+Gu2fw2ljHXVMoBeyvtlmUQzaYnRgF7F/VtDrNKs9SjtRQgzVz+j1uDHq XsljGPmBjXcsbajSFDtp2qKBUIPHfuJ9fWi4kzDoy8mKBijvYHVWdtccDiNI3Rx3rM oTzvy6z6WnwyeA+fvkDJQejmPfjHldF0YMKnK+NhI0li5tNCbZFvYbCkkSNdt9UrQ8 2ZE9my23i3rmEiRyWGtradQ47Oe10LXURqiivX1MnfWG5YGK0PAMuiMfi+xAfNampG QnOvJ5KCsCcfL5oKXIY7GG5kDv09L9LXFB2FCQ8SAYZPRjOxysKVwAIeO2I0mfZQQp kYDsLDP7gyAcw== Original-Received: from alfajor (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EC24112064C; Mon, 1 Nov 2021 14:18:13 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <877ddrrdkw.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 01 Nov 2021 18:27:27 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:278419 Archived-At: > So if we have a fold-text.el library, it could offer > > * fringes > * buttons > * svg > * emojis > * other random text > * "..." Why does the "..." have to be an alternative? Please, can I have "(fringe OR buttons) AND ellipsis"? Also, as pointed out, for outline-(minor-)mode some `outline-regexp`s will work better with fringes, so even if, as a user I'd generally prefer the buttons, it would be nice for Emacs to know that in ELisp mode outline-minor-mode should not use buttons because =E2=96=B6 (defun my-foo ( arg1 arg2 arg3) is not right. So major modes should be able to tell `outline-minor-mode` whether buttons should be avoided. Stefan