From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: 23.0.60; emacs-report-bug fails silently Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:38:44 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87fxs0hrrv.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <4840084C.2020405@gmail.com> <87d4n3ii41.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <48407716.5080704@gmail.com> <874p8fi9op.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <87od6lc1bd.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1212367153 8339 80.91.229.12 (2 Jun 2008 00:39:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 00:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org To: Florian Beck Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 02 02:39:54 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K2y5Z-0004v5-AO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:39:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42416 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K2y4n-00008X-9d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:39:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K2y4i-00008Q-En for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:39:00 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K2y4g-00008E-Tw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:39:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60914 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K2y4g-00008B-M5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:38:58 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:49039) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K2y4g-0007N6-IU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:38:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:55494 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K2y2u-0006dt-DL for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:37:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K2y4b-0007MF-VJ for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:38:58 -0400 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:49889) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K2y4b-0007M7-Nt for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:38:53 -0400 Original-Received: from ceviche.home (vpn-132-204-232-51.acd.umontreal.ca [132.204.232.51]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m520cpJi013414 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:38:52 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8A2CAB4239; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:38:44 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87od6lc1bd.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> (Florian Beck's message of "Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:54:14 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3028=0 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:98200 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:22523 Archived-At: >>> Look, if you think my setup is bizzare, please ignore my report. But >>> I don't think it is. >> Me neither, see the sub-thread[1] about this in April on emacs-devel. > Well, /usr/sbin/sendmail indeed *does* exist on my system, although the > sendmail package is not installed. Confusing, isn't it? Not necessarily: many packages (i.e. most MTAs) provide /usr/sbin/sendmail. Could you try and figure out what that `/usr/sbin/sendmail' is? > Anyway, because the sendmail binary does exist, > message-send-mail-function returns message-send-mail-with-sendmail. > So that would not help. We definitely have a problem in this respect. Traditionally on Unix, sending mail is done via the /usr/sbin/sendmail program, but nowadays it's very common to have such programs completely misconfigured. It's fundamentally a bug in the distributions, I believe, but it's not one that we can expect to see fixed any time soon, so we're going to have to deal with it. Stefan