From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Integrating package.el Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:47:46 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87k4w5lbyb.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87zl50jv52.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d41rn3wt.fsf_-_@hagelb.org> <87k4vxiwlj.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878wcdjg9r.fsf@hagelb.org> <87637gh73j.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1262719570 24768 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2010 19:26:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 05 20:25:58 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NSF2O-00042M-3Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:25:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37523 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NSF2O-0004gb-Ie for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:25:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NSEtq-0006gb-OV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:17:02 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NSEtl-0006bJ-UF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:17:02 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53598 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NSEtl-0006b2-NC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:16:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:34924) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NSEt9-0006iE-Ms for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:16:20 -0500 Original-Received: from tomts20.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.74] helo=tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NSCZP-0000K0-Rx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:47:48 -0500 Original-Received: from toip5.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.88]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20100105164747.WXNI27709.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip5.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:47:47 -0500 Original-Received: from bas1-montreal42-1178030923.dsl.bell.ca (HELO ceviche.home) ([70.55.83.75]) by toip5.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 05 Jan 2010 11:48:34 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 3B510B4077; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:47:46 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87637gh73j.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:03:28 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by mx20.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:119459 Archived-At: > The "package file" (analogous to a RPM/DEB package fike) should contain > the real, final version of all the files. The package repository may > accumulate metadata about all the package files it contains, but I > should be able to copy a single package file to another system and > install it. As a sysadmin I don't want package files to be > indeterminate. For instance, how can I set up a local mirror if some of > the files inside some of the package files are possibly remote? There's > all the other security risks I listed in my previous note, too, > concerning remote network access. > This is a huge sysadmin problem with Perl for instance, where the > liberal packaging standard and complicated build process make it hard to > synchronize packages across multiple installations. I've suffered > through that many times and hope it doesn't recur with Emacs packages. > Some OS integration (DEB, RPM, MacOS X, etc.) would be useful, at least > as a possibility. OK, I'm not sure whether we're talking about the same things. The way I see it, there will be the following elements: - a (set of) Bzr repository holding the package sources. - a tool that will build tarballs from those sources. - an area where those tarballs are stored, along with some metadata (think Debian repository). - a tool that can scan such repositories and downlooad packages from them, obeying dependencies (think APT). - a tool that can install/activate/uninstall a given package, ... (think DPKG). This last one is what I tried to write when I wrote install.el many moons ago. Stefan