From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: smtp crap Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:40:24 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> <83botsf06d.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318304435 12371 80.91.229.12 (11 Oct 2011 03:40:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 03:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams , miles@gnu.org To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 05:40:30 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDTCg-0006e8-4M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 05:40:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36828 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDTCf-0005zr-Jl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:40:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:42381) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDTCd-0005zl-SU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:40:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDTCd-000708-4y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:40:27 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:38915 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDTCb-0006zt-OX; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:40:25 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAKu5k05FxJoX/2dsb2JhbABDqBqBBoFTAQEEAVYjEAs0EhQYDSSIEbloh0wEoR2ERQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,521,1312171200"; d="scan'208";a="141073086" Original-Received: from 69-196-154-23.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.154.23]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 10 Oct 2011 23:40:24 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id C2450660B6; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:40:24 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:08:32 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144856 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80280 Archived-At: >> Popping up a different mailer is not a problem: it's what mailclient is >> supposed to do. The problem is that it comes into play much too late: >> mailclient should not be an MTA function but a MUA function. > I sort of agree. But then you're asking people to even edit their > emails outside of Emacs, and that's not very nice. :-) I assume that asking them to "first edit them in Emacs, then edit them in their MUA" is worse than to just edit them in their MUA. Stefan