From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:08:07 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418054940 25383 80.91.229.3 (8 Dec 2014 16:09:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:09:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tom Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 08 17:08:53 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy0rk-0002QV-Up for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 17:08:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34730 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy0rk-00024L-CB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:08:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40712) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy0r9-00023A-WF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:08:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy0r2-00024V-Fv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:08:15 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:24501) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy0r2-00024N-BZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:08:08 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsPAOwQflRFxLi7/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVaxR0EAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCws0EhQYDSSISgnWWQEBCAIBH4pghg8HhEgFiwGkLoF4hBkhgncBAQE X-IPAS-Result: AjsPAOwQflRFxLi7/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVaxR0EAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCws0EhQYDSSISgnWWQEBCAIBH4pghg8HhEgFiwGkLoF4hBkhgncBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,502,1413259200"; d="scan'208";a="99872006" Original-Received: from 69-196-184-187.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.184.187]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 08 Dec 2014 11:08:07 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6F46866162; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 11:08:07 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Tom's message of "Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:21:52 +0000 (UTC)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179404 Archived-At: > For this reason it would make sense to make CUA keys the default, and > provide a compatibility switch for Emacs old timers who are used to > the current bindings. cua-mode is a clever and reasonably clean hack, but a hack nevertheless. So enabling it by default is not really an option. And note that under Mac OS X, there's no need for it, since Mac OS X uses another modifier than "control" for those C-x C-c C-v. I'm not opposed to a long term plan to possibly change C-x, C-c, and C-v. But that will require fairly extensive changes, mostly such that major/minor mode key bindings don't specify full key-sequences but "relative" sequences along with a base prefix which would then depend on the user's config. Maybe something like (new-define-key map major-mode-prefix [?\C-f] #'foo). I think such changes could be generally beneficial (e.g. for things like evil-mode, god-mode, ...), but someone needs to sit down, and experiment a bit with various designs to see what would work best in terms of convenience and reliability for cua, evil, normal use, user customization, and major/minor mode writers. Stefan