From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Calling (package-initialize) sooner during initialization Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87383xk4ia.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> <87pp71ia87.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429412888 6244 80.91.229.3 (19 Apr 2015 03:08:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 03:08:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Artur Malabarba , emacs-devel To: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?=22Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer=22?=) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 19 05:07:59 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YjfaQ-0001xd-G6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 05:07:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47387 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjfaP-0006Zw-Ne for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59772) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjfaB-0006Zp-D6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yjfa8-0001DP-8H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:43 -0400 Original-Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:53945) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yjfa8-0001DL-32 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:40 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id t3J37Z7Q031717; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:35 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 2291E2488; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:07:35 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87pp71ia87.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> ("Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?=5C=22Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1=2FKammer=5C=22=22's?= message of "Sat, 18 Apr 2015 20:04:40 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV5280=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9393 : core <5280> : inlines <2752> : streams <1424839> : uri <1910277> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:185649 Archived-At: >> How can we make the system work such that the user can: >> - Use customize to set package-user-dir, package-pinned-packages, etc... >> - Use customize to configure a variable which has a :require which loads >> a file that's only available after calling package-initialize. Bonus points if your system does not make special assumptions about there being a special "package.el", so that when some new "package+.el" comes around the scheme will naturally extend to that as well (even if both package.el and package+.el end up being in use at the same time). Stefan