From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Delete variables obsolete since Emacs 23 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:27:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: > <83r1s4ftc7.fsf@gnu.org>> <9d080d6b-d7b5-4e56-ae47-2fbc8eb97da2@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11305"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: rms@gnu.org, Jeff Norden , emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, ghe@sdf.org, Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 18 21:28:09 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k87HF-0002pZ-GU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 21:28:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56200 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k87HE-0006YG-Il for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:28:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58426) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k87GG-0005hr-5p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:27:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:10525) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k87GD-000650-Re; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:27:07 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A1F0B441ADF; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 06F8F441A5F; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:27:02 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1597778822; bh=ixRsGpsYiHwyGvN0MIgJ31XonLUzbM6uJcaHym2anMQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=kEoZZg03mK6kyE6v6Ky1+OEjfyDKyQFJWVj2P31rCYcWSt1q7ZlGlIltOKmH7Y+v5 fQnN6JzPVAKJfNqRaQ8kCFQ5qTYEcA3qoDu9BSQ3lvIomTRxxEmriTLL8iam45pcs3 sO0yTX54bg+bVjTTMb1YQjdgrGJDYdHachz7IxW/vIMVuPHVzu9TXhsu51SEj7zSDX MebZUD94n5AEyE3+qNk7WGeh6wnd72ihrE9KyLqQZiomaGOilfBnlVYmcEG06RHAgV W+9J7e4slKeOoehgc9CwukmIitSHtU55jWjUbqXQuopNmMHgTErlNwSxRTkeHrjUR4 bUI4Ce+7bKhoQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.72.246.108]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B4CA112036E; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:27:01 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9d080d6b-d7b5-4e56-ae47-2fbc8eb97da2@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 18 Aug 2020 09:13:23 -0700 (PDT)") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/18 15:27:03 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:253972 Archived-At: >> I think the gentle annoyance we have now strikes the right balance >> between not letting people forget the fact of obsolescence and not >> annoying them too much. We are talking to adults, not to children, so >> we can rely on them doing TRT. > +1. It's obsolete, but we leave it in the product, That is not what he said. > so as to not annoy those who don't, or can't easily, > work around its absence. If there's no intention to remove it in the future, then we don't declare it obsolete. Stefan