From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Internationalize Emacs's messages (swahili) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:48:59 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87o8ivumn5.fsf@telefonica.net> <87v9d3nkxk.fsf@gnus.org> <83sg7xrgr5.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7odrdwy.fsf@gnu.org> <86sg7w39fh.fsf@163.com> <83pn30pku5.fsf@gnu.org> <86wnx8otoj.fsf@163.com> <834kkbp9vr.fsf@gnu.org> <87czyxuxw6.fsf@db48x.net> <878s9luu87.fsf@db48x.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4164"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Zhu Zihao , bugs@gnu.support, dimech@gmx.com, abrochard@gmx.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org To: Daniel Brooks Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 26 04:49:57 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kt0ab-0000xo-JS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 04:49:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44474 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kt0aa-000375-6W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:49:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34172) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kt0Zn-0002gp-TQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:49:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:29059) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kt0Zl-00062T-0X; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:49:06 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 03B58100544; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:49:03 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id C1E3E100410; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:49:01 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1608954541; bh=02V3y5V6/1vUHbpxIv8MkKpTiwE+zm84JVDRJ85mtig=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=VsATamJ98A+0sQrF66l0TbeyT6ml2FX/Z3acVDCkLZ+NPam1hbLlMG/sFpYaw2SVM qX1a96Wluz68A18DQntTsW3b9TgXmCLMXY2cC6HyVKv7KFigmmhomokmP7qWJJM7tq XKLFhEbvrf/32jfyPaZsb5Pk/zDQfzQJAOgNXBn7mRTG70VR+DNKH0U5fnoiZyZ0zN dp9fehPKM7CN+DdD23BBV2BbTUv57WXSHPzq91QnPma0g4f0ZJBTPF81zeZOHnV/qs T2jgpFU8B9OM+wiHVqPdJlCWbjIRxCfUk+T1uktYR3xOFIuJZfIK57WtN4KMbmvxtJ DWYrBaD6X4Dig== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [104.247.243.191]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 553E112041A; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:49:01 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <878s9luu87.fsf@db48x.net> (Daniel Brooks's message of "Fri, 25 Dec 2020 19:22:32 -0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261785 Archived-At: >>> My personal opinion is that gettext is too limited. It works for simple >>> things, but provides no help at all for complex things. >> My feeling is that Emacs is so far from those problems that considering >> such issues will do little more than delay any actual progress. > Possibly, but I'm not so sure. Just looking at the message function for > a moment (because it's easy to grep for), there are a nonzero number > that do numeric substitions. Here are a few selected examples: You're missing my point: last I checked, we have 0 translations (well, beside the tutorials, that is). So, worrying about addressing the plurality of plurals better than most other programs doesn't seem right. Stefan