From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Comments on setopt Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 17:42:38 -0500 Message-ID: References: <871r05rr2r.fsf@posteo.net> <87a6esztjj.fsf@yahoo.com> <4c4c5c471f1e72220a2756c315b1b501@webmail.orcon.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36638"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Rudolf =?utf-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?= , Po Lu , larsi@gnus.org, philipk@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Phil Sainty Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 16 23:46:21 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nKT40-0009GW-Kh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 23:46:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57588 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKT3z-0007YP-KY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 17:46:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38802) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKT0Z-0005VV-VE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 17:42:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:14885) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKT0X-0002wi-7f; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 17:42:47 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 3F3D2806A3; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 17:42:41 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A482980620; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 17:42:39 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1645051359; bh=6LFCoyhFdG2tNA+A8VxEPSAHdhTarVHiUxX/DMxBV/8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=MNa/MS03T8tM1yCM4OYBusDZQpPYP5SYzSRMze4o8p+Qi6DuJJa+2qUNvyR2rLbqC kJfmS3TvCGtE/xs+cZaaoS33y+Lr9mWKHJ3patV7IatEnUuw4MJhshopfR+m55Epp4 l/yzhdUMJZB6jqWu4tlQFGaV4ssUi+gYyMT4xNd6waRozZhCH4GsHqXEz/JdBPui5w RWa0zNvHxaP0PmTwFT52MGip0k2Q6toKRXG1BBNi7d7Z+aDsF7syPJ5+6kjU5AGqdR awjQa89yFa20oEshq5r4BzWg59PptApRV1cRZpwmdFj6Kjvc65xVAkGxc7Py0sTmAr 8xhLLkEcsIIrQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 720DD120E14; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 17:42:39 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <4c4c5c471f1e72220a2756c315b1b501@webmail.orcon.net.nz> (Phil Sainty's message of "Thu, 17 Feb 2022 11:34:00 +1300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:286403 Archived-At: Phil Sainty [2022-02-17 11:34:00] wrote: > On 2022-02-17 02:23, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> As pointed out, `setopt` should probably not be used at top-level >> in a `.emacs` because Custom will think this was set via >> `customize-set-variables` and will save that setting back into >> `custom-file` next time we ask to save the customized variables. > From the description I thought this would invoke any setter function > but otherwise act like setq in that it would *not* touch the user's > custom file. > That would be the desirable behaviour, no? Agreed. Then maybe I misunderstood? Stefan