From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2024 14:17:05 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87ser8c230.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86ser87rut.fsf@gnu.org> <86cyia4503.fsf@gnu.org> <87bjxsbc8h.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86a5db1vc6.fsf@gnu.org> <87v7vy2cho.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4527"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Jeremy Bryant , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 05 20:18:20 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tJHMi-0000zl-7y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2024 20:18:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tJHLl-0002B0-UL; Thu, 05 Dec 2024 14:17:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tJHLg-00024L-P5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2024 14:17:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tJHLe-00027e-KI; Thu, 05 Dec 2024 14:17:16 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 479151000EF; Thu, 5 Dec 2024 14:17:08 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1733426227; bh=EktRdmLbQhMTsQsDFORT30pthu4dFXTWkRMQh1tqYPo=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=L/sJvtLvtAHL64dRnUqfZ6am4MaTrwQf5HVp1ALxdXG0dfEWbV41Tu13M58O2Q5s3 wz8PznTmxZ+kYVtywetGJGGXZbPMa8Y+w4S2+43UG5l2yl1vQatWVgAP2WdqhAxmdS 0I9NjSqh1mkKXhchK6hCuuBPosYq9rQ7LXG3jIzfNQlKjqjbAor/3L6cXgmPqodzbU Nfsl13MJwkxoKcvEPnIPxuMgn08FLTPHy9DxG6Z6cp3PQ/k6ydL9B2VnltYu6keR/m MP7vInWLKvaKvc9qd7LmZaQPCfV3g1R9yLJjzv2wS+yflZ0c3dlVQfURU/YgCges2o lGjhQmMqDus7w== Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 2F108100043; Thu, 5 Dec 2024 14:17:07 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from pastel (104-195-225-43.cpe.teksavvy.com [104.195.225.43]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EC13B12026A; Thu, 5 Dec 2024 14:17:06 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87v7vy2cho.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Thu, 05 Dec 2024 18:47:31 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326102 Archived-At: >> Are we providing packages that include only Info manuals, which >> document stuff that is not specific to Emacs? Because I don't see how >> it would be a good idea to have this as an ELPA package. There is a precedent in the form of the [Ada reference manual](http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/ada-ref-man.html). FWIW, I'm not completely comfortable with this precedent. Sadly Info is rarely used outside of Emacs FAICT, so there is a clear tendency to consider Info manual as "manuals for use within Emacs". > It would also make sense to make the Emacs manuals available for easy > download, as distributions like Debian do not include these by default. > Whether we distribute these by piggy-backing on package.el or have a > separate installer that could be distributed on ELPA is a different > matter, but it would be useful to have an index of already existing > manuals that would be interesting regardless of their relation to Emacs. A dedicated ELisp package that can download manuals and install them in Info format (which may require converting from another format) would be nice (or more generally in any format that Emacs can use, which may also include HTML, nowadays, tho we still need extra work to make HTML manuals as well integrated as Info manuals). Stefan