From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bugs against emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:46:57 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20081213094259.GM24493@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20081213231403.GR24493@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20081214002310.GT24493@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20081214101335.GC7530@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20081217053906.GF4782@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20081218074358.GN4782@volo.donarmstrong.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1229636841 21951 80.91.229.12 (18 Dec 2008 21:47:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:47:21 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 18 22:48:26 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LDQjB-0004k0-Gv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:48:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53142 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LDQhz-0005Ml-1I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:47:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LDQhv-0005M9-5f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:46:59 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LDQhu-0005Lu-Gw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:46:58 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35531 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LDQhu-0005Lq-Aq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:46:58 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:38267) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LDQhu-0001fH-1J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:46:58 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtYEAHpTSknO+J7J/2dsb2JhbACBbL0mWJBagwaBPw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,245,1228107600"; d="scan'208";a="31242459" Original-Received: from 206-248-158-201.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.158.201]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 18 Dec 2008 16:46:55 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 344167F41; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:46:57 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20081218074358.GN4782@volo.donarmstrong.com> (Don Armstrong's message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:43:58 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:107042 Archived-At: >> You don't know that. > Of course I know where the most ordinary form of a reply should go: > the bug, and the person sending the message. >> Only the person replying knows where that reply should go. > Enough people replying clearly have no clue where they should go; > hence this entire thread. >> Besides, I don't see why getting this result requires fiddling with >> the reply-to header. Can you give an example? > To: submit@bugs > From: bar > Subj: Bug #1234: blah > Causes the following message to be sent to anyone who should get mail > involving bug 1234: > To: submit@bugs > From: bar > Subj: Bug #1234: blah > Reply-To: 1234@bugs, bar And this is wrong, because if I want to reply only to the author, most MUAs will force me to copy&paste emails by hand, since a simply "reply to author" will probably take the address from the "reply-to" rather than from "From:". So this header makes "reply to author" behave in the way appropriate for "reply-to-all", and make "reply-to-all" misbehave (it sends both to 1234@bugs and submit@bugs, which is somewhat hacked around by Debbugs). A good header for the email sent by Debbugs would be: To: 1234@bugs From: bar Subj: Bug #1234: blah > It'd require changing To: in the above message to some address other > than the address the message was actually sent to, like 1234@bugs. > Thus, a bogus value. That's not a bogus value at all. It's The Right Thing. What's the problem with it? > Debbugs is basically a huge wrapper around a mailing list per bug; the > issue we have now is that there are multiple aliases for the same > mailing list, and neither debbugs nor emacs-bugs does message-id > caching and /dev/null-ing, save on display of messages for debbugs. If you got the headers right, there wouldn't be much need for such message-id caching. Stefan