From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: smtp crap Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:03:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> <8762jwfjsj.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318309433 5558 80.91.229.12 (11 Oct 2011 05:03:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 05:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , Drew Adams , ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 07:03:47 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RDUVG-00033W-VZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:03:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55947 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDUVF-00074i-Tn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:03:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:44089) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDUVC-00074W-IT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:03:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDUVB-0006aA-8B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:03:42 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:64775 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RDUVB-0006a6-4K; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:03:41 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAL/Nk05FxJoX/2dsb2JhbABDqBqBBoFTAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiBG5KodMBKEdhEU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,521,1312171200"; d="scan'208";a="141093872" Original-Received: from 69-196-154-23.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.154.23]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 11 Oct 2011 01:03:39 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 56127660B6; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:03:39 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Miles Bader's message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:20:17 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144864 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80283 Archived-At: >> I'd hope that any user who's not dead-set on using Emacs's smtpmail >> support will simply say "use mailclient". So the likelihood of wrong >> smtp setup should be rather low. > Hmm, remember, this issue applies to more than windows... > (I'm using debian and I got the question [repeatedly, though > the repetition is obviously a bug]). I don't see why the issue should be different for Debian (but see below). >> No. Especially given that the current prompt doesn't really offer >> mailclient as an option, so that needs to be fixed first. > mailclient is a windows-only option right? No. > How about in the gnu/linux case? Here the choice is (apparently) > between sendmail (or really "system MTA," often not really sendmail) > and the new smtp. That's exactly what I'm referring to when I say "the current prompt doesn't really offer mailclient". It needs to be fixed to offer mailclient on all platforms. Stefan