From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to restore the layout? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 00:30:08 -0400 Message-ID: References: <51C5AA68.4000204@alice.it> <87r4frcq9v.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> <87vc5345t3.fsf@gmail.com> <51C8B2C8.4000803@gmx.at> <51C93CDB.2020301@gmx.at> <51C9C790.3020407@gmx.at> <51CA0D4C.7080204@alice.it> <0A6F5672-6149-41B7-B0FF-D4725076B271@mit.edu> <51CB3299.50004@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372307420 31130 80.91.229.3 (27 Jun 2013 04:30:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 04:30:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: martin rudalics , chad , Drew Adams , Emacs developers To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 27 06:30:20 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Us3qc-0007tz-1F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 06:30:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50408 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Us3qb-0007NV-Js for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 00:30:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58471) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Us3qX-0007NF-QU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 00:30:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Us3qT-0006Rb-Pl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 00:30:13 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:44360) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Us3qT-0006RV-MJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 00:30:09 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFMCppA/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjEAsOJhIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOkeoFegxM X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFMCppA/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjEAsOJhIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOkeoFegxM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="17269508" Original-Received: from 76-10-154-64.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO fmsmemgm.homelinux.net) ([76.10.154.64]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 27 Jun 2013 00:30:03 -0400 Original-Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 7AF5FAE0BA; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 00:30:08 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Thu, 27 Jun 2013 04:57:42 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.182 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161126 Archived-At: >> We could add a cmdline flag to delay creation of the initial frame after >> reading the .emacs. > ISTR the initial frame must be created relatively soon because some > low-level code depends on it existing. That's not my experience (running a local patch which delays creation of the initial frame until after loading the .emacs, tho not if the initial frame is on a tty). >>> Let's hear from Stefan & Glenn. Meanwhile, here's the new patch. >> Not sure what you want to hear from me. > About installing my patch (disabled by default). Fine by me. Maybe we should enable it by default, even. Stefan