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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Adding packages to ELPA
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 09:26:46 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv4mw3agxe.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2wq8zpzan.fsf@gnu.org> (Sam Steingold's message of "Fri, 19 Sep 2014 08:31:12 -0400")

>>>> For popular packages to be distributed outside of Emacs and ELPA
>>>> has some bad consequences:

>>>> * We can't change them when we change some part of Emacs that they use.
>>>> That makes it hard for us to change interfaces.

>>>> * We don't have copyright assignments in them, so we can't move the code
>>>> into Emacs.

>>>> * They may say things that work against the GNU Project in other ways,
>>>> such as by recommending nonfree programs, or by recommending rivals of
>>>> GNU packages.

>>>> I think therefore that we do more to move the popular packages into
>>>> ELPA or Emacs.

Right, these are pretty much my motivations, indeed.
[ Except for the "say things against GNU" part since moving them to GNU
  ELPA is generally not an option anyway; or at least, not before the
  problem itself is solved .  ]

Another is to improve users's experience by having more packages
available right away without having to customize their
`package-archives' first.

Also, I think it's important to include packages in GNU ELPA *early*.
For some reason, many people think of GNU ELPA as a kind of collection
of packages that have been blessed by the powers after due
considerations and checks, which inevitably is linked to the idea that
these are mature packages.

So I regularly see answers like "yes, I'd be honored to put this in GNU
ELPA when it's finished, but it's still being developed" (and this is
typically for packages that have seen a couple releases announced on
gnu.emacs.sources).

Of course, the package is never "finished" and if it ever gets to be
mature enough for the author to maybe think he should submit it to GNU
ELPA, now we have to go track down all the contributors for paperwork.

So, it's important to be very proactive and to try and get packages into
GNU ELPA very early on, when the copyright status is much more simple,
so that the copyright assignments can be collected progressively as the
contributions get accepted.


        Stefan



  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-09-19 13:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 348+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-11 16:29 Guile emacs thread (again) Christopher Allan Webber
2014-09-14 16:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-16 14:43 ` Grim Schjetne
2014-09-16 15:50 ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Stefan Monnier
2014-09-16 16:03   ` Lennart Borgman
2014-09-17 18:24     ` Jorgen Schaefer
2014-09-17 18:42       ` Emacs Lisp's future Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-17 19:25       ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Lally Singh
2014-09-18  2:07       ` Alexis
2014-09-18 16:40         ` Emacs Lisp's future Daniel Colascione
2014-09-18 21:54           ` Regular expression creation [was: Re: Emacs Lisp's future] Alexis
2014-09-18 23:37             ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-09-19  0:00               ` Alexis
2014-09-19  2:12                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 10:07                   ` Alexis
2014-09-26 15:25                     ` Filipp Gunbin
2014-09-19 18:04             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-09-18  6:35       ` Emacs Lisp's future Andreas Röhler
2014-09-18 15:17         ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 16:19           ` Ivan Andrus
2014-09-18 23:19             ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19  7:18               ` Andreas Röhler
2014-09-19  8:10             ` Andreas Schwab
2014-09-19  8:46               ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18  8:43     ` Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Emilio Lopes
2014-09-16 16:09   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-16 16:54   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-17 15:14     ` Emacs Lisp's future Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 16:57       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2014-09-16 16:59   ` David Kastrup
2014-09-16 22:58     ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-16 23:10       ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 13:55       ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 15:19         ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 16:23           ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 18:10             ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17  5:04     ` mhw
2014-09-17 14:03       ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 14:39         ` Mark H Weaver
2014-09-17 15:11           ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 10:48   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-09-17 10:53     ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 11:21       ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 11:22       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 13:50         ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 11:17   ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 11:35     ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 12:50     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 13:54       ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 14:24         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 14:30           ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 15:03             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 15:10           ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-17 18:04             ` performance isn't a concern in ... " Nic Ferrier
2014-09-17 19:08               ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18  7:54             ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-17 15:09         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 15:07       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 15:33         ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 20:11           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 22:42             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-09-18  2:34               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18  3:17               ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18  9:04                 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18  9:27                   ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 11:15                     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18  3:46             ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18  9:53               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 10:09                 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 11:29                   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 12:07                     ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 14:12                       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 14:56                         ` David Kastrup
2014-09-18 15:36                           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-18 16:44                             ` David Kastrup
2014-09-17 17:13         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 17:33         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-17 20:21     ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 12:48       ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 14:15       ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 14:34         ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 15:01           ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 16:08             ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-18 16:18               ` Rasmus
2014-09-18 19:23               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18 23:18               ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19  0:00                 ` Rasmus
2014-09-19  8:00                   ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-19 10:46                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-19 11:12                       ` David Kastrup
2014-09-19 16:16                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-19 11:38                       ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-19 18:02                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 11:53                       ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 18:01                     ` Richard Stallman
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2014-09-19 18:43                       ` Drew Adams
2014-09-18 23:17           ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19  0:03             ` Rasmus
2014-09-19 10:27               ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-09-23  7:45               ` Emilio Lopes
2014-09-26 16:50               ` Jonas Bernoulli
2014-09-26 18:23                 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-09-29  8:33                   ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-29 13:19                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-29 14:47                       ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-30  7:58                     ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 12:19                       ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-30 16:15                       ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-30 18:21                         ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 19:18                           ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 16:15                       ` Nicolas Richard
2014-09-30 17:54                         ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-09-30 18:19                           ` Drew Adams
2014-09-26 20:37                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-18 23:17         ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-18 23:37           ` Rasmus
2014-09-19  2:03           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19  6:26             ` Adding packages to ELPA (was: Emacs Lisp's future) Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19  6:47               ` Adding packages to ELPA Rasmus
2014-09-19 13:47                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 13:56                   ` Nic Ferrier
2014-09-19 16:27                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 12:31               ` Sam Steingold
2014-09-19 13:08                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 14:29                   ` Sam Steingold
2014-09-19 13:26                 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2014-09-19 13:39                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 14:44                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 15:00                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 15:41                         ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-19 15:45                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 18:03                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 16:34                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 17:30                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-19 18:13                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-20 16:09                             ` Stephen Leake
2014-09-20 16:23                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-21 15:05                                 ` Stephen Leake
2014-09-20 20:02                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-20 16:00                         ` Stephen Leake
2014-09-20 16:21                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-22  7:53                             ` Phillip Lord
2014-09-22 14:50                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-22 19:34                                 ` SP? {Spam?} " Phillip Lord
2014-09-19 18:02                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-19 18:02                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-17 22:49     ` Emacs Lisp's future Daniel Colascione
2014-09-17 12:46   ` Eric Brown
2014-09-17 13:33     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 13:52       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 15:11         ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer
2014-09-17 20:23     ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-17 21:13   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-09-20 19:31   ` Robin Templeton
2016-10-07 10:47   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2016-10-07 11:03     ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2016-10-07 11:27       ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-07 11:48         ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2016-10-08 14:00           ` Ben
2016-10-08 15:39             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-07 12:52         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-08  8:23       ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-08 12:07         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-08 14:26           ` Nicolas Petton
2016-10-08 20:57         ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-08 21:40           ` Nicolas Petton
2016-10-08 22:15           ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-10  9:00             ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-11  1:42               ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-11  7:47                 ` Helmut Eller
2016-10-11 14:44                   ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-10-12  3:17                 ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-13 21:23                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-13 21:35                     ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-17  0:44                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-10  4:09           ` Georges Ko
2016-10-10  4:51             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-10 13:56               ` Georges Ko
2016-10-11  4:06                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-10-11  4:18                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11  7:16                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-10-11 13:33                       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11 14:54                         ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-10-11 15:10                           ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-11 17:55                             ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-10-11 17:08                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-10-10 15:26             ` raman
2016-10-07 15:32     ` Kelvin White
2016-10-07 16:18     ` Søren Pilgård
2016-10-07 16:25       ` Kaushal Modi
2016-10-08  2:09       ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-08 20:58         ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-07 17:07     ` John Wiegley
2016-10-09 12:03       ` Toon Claes
2016-10-09 12:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-10  2:59           ` John Wiegley
2016-10-10  7:17             ` Concurrency, again (was: Emacs Lisp's future) Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-10 15:42               ` Concurrency, again Paul Eggert
2016-10-12 12:47               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-12 15:24                 ` raman
2016-10-12 16:42                 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-12 17:17                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-12 18:01                     ` John Wiegley
2016-10-12 19:26                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-12 19:43                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-12 20:59                         ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-12 21:20                           ` Søren Pilgård
2016-10-12 21:33                             ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-12 22:31                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-12 23:33                                 ` John Wiegley
2016-10-13  5:55                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-13 13:27                                 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-13 15:05                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-13 17:25                                     ` John Wiegley
2016-10-13 18:14                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-14 21:01                                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-14 21:48                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-15  1:24                                           ` John Wiegley
2016-10-15  5:48                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-15 22:03                                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-16  0:38                                               ` John Wiegley
2016-10-16  6:40                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-17  0:43                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-17  6:10                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 13:34                                         ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 22:28                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-10-13 19:34                                       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-10-13 19:49                                         ` John Wiegley
2016-10-14 15:26                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-14 15:47                                         ` Michael Albinus
2016-10-14 16:57                                           ` John Wiegley
2016-10-14 18:03                                           ` John Wiegley
2016-10-14 18:06                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-15  7:16                                             ` Michael Albinus
2016-10-17 14:13                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-17 18:33                                         ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-17 18:41                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-14 17:01                                       ` Stefan Huchler
2016-10-17 14:53                                       ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-17 16:07                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-17 16:34                                           ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-17 16:57                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-17 17:53                                               ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-17 18:06                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-18  3:27                                                   ` Stefan Huchler
2016-10-18 14:34                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-18 14:58                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 15:05                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-18 15:36                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 19:26                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-18 15:15                                                       ` joakim
2016-10-18 16:20                                                       ` Stefan Huchler
2016-10-18 18:37                                                       ` Browsers inside Emacs (was Re: Concurrency, again) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-17 18:19                                                 ` Concurrency, again Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 19:47                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-18 19:47                                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-18 20:29                                               ` Web browsing (was Re: Concurrency, again) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-19 19:57                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-19 20:44                                                   ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 18:04                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-19  8:52                                               ` Concurrency, again Ricardo Wurmus
2016-10-19 13:07                                                 ` Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-19 20:02                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-19 20:38                                                     ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20  7:33                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20 15:15                                                         ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 15:42                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20 22:22                                                             ` Cairo bugs (was Re: Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again)) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-21  7:31                                                             ` Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again) Dov Grobgeld
2016-10-21 19:43                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-23  6:23                                                                 ` Dov Grobgeld
2016-10-23  9:39                                                                   ` Dov Grobgeld
2016-10-23 10:26                                                                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-20 18:15                                                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-20 18:41                                                           ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 20:56                                                             ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-21  1:45                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-20 19:24                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20 20:33                                                             ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-10-21  6:53                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-21 12:39                                                                 ` Tookits (was Re: Emacs as browser) Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-21 12:57                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-21 13:45                                                                     ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 18:04                                                       ` Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again) Richard Stallman
2016-10-20 18:30                                                         ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-20 18:57                                                         ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-21  1:45                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-21  3:09                                                             ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-25 13:30                                     ` Concurrency, again Philipp Stephani
2016-10-12 21:24                           ` joakim
2016-10-12 18:19                   ` John Wiegley
2016-10-15  4:45                     ` SAKURAI Masashi
2016-10-17 15:29                       ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-18  3:14                     ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-18  6:18                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18  7:58                       ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-18  9:22                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-18 10:08                           ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-18 10:41                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-19 10:18                               ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-19 11:57                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20  6:08                                   ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-20  7:54                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-20  7:12                                 ` Herring, Davis
2016-10-20  7:55                                   ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-20 16:22                                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-18 10:46                         ` Alan Third
2016-10-19  7:02                           ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-18 14:04                         ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-25 13:27                   ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 16:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 16:45                       ` John Wiegley
2016-10-25 16:48                         ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 17:04                           ` Stefan Huchler
2016-10-25 18:43                             ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 21:44                               ` John Wiegley
2016-10-25 23:28                                 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-27 17:27                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-27 19:13                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-27 20:55                                       ` Christopher Allan Webber
2016-10-27 21:50                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-28  7:53                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-31  6:42                                   ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-26 14:03                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-26 15:09                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 17:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 13:22               ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-25 14:24                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-25 14:41                   ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-26 13:50                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-26 14:32                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-26 14:39                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-10-25 16:25                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 23:47                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-10 15:24             ` Emacs Lisp's future raman
2016-10-09 12:43         ` Søren Pilgård
2016-10-09 13:13           ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-09 13:15           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-17 19:29 ` Guile emacs thread (again) Lluís
2014-09-17 19:34   ` Lally Singh
2014-09-18 12:23 ` Robin Templeton
2014-09-19  1:15   ` Christopher Allan Webber
2014-09-20 13:20   ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-20 15:54     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-21 13:35       ` Richard Stallman
2014-09-21 16:16       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-21 17:00         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-09-21 20:09           ` Stefan Monnier

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