From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Metaproblem, part 3 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 23:40:35 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20141203193110.GF12748@thyrsus.com> <20141203215426.GA15791@thyrsus.com> <547FFFE3.9000100@cs.ucla.edu> <5480E5E7.4010803@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417754484 27905 80.91.229.3 (5 Dec 2014 04:41:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 04:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 05 05:41:16 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwkhf-0008EC-H7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 05:41:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48778 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwkhe-0005ht-QZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 23:41:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50549) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwkhA-0005h3-JJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 23:41:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwkh2-0002Ou-V7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 23:40:44 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:54438) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwkh2-0002Og-Qk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 23:40:36 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjwPAOwQflRMCqTq/2dsb2JhbABbDoJ5g2CFWsUdBAICgSQXAQEBAQEBfIQDAQEDAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiEoJ1lkBAQEHAQEBAR6QB2gHhEgFhDqGR45Gg2uDOIw7ggqBeIM7XiGCdwEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: AjwPAOwQflRMCqTq/2dsb2JhbABbDoJ5g2CFWsUdBAICgSQXAQEBAQEBfIQDAQEDAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiEoJ1lkBAQEHAQEBAR6QB2gHhEgFhDqGR45Gg2uDOIw7ggqBeIM7XiGCdwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,502,1413259200"; d="scan'208";a="99605166" Original-Received: from 76-10-164-234.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.164.234]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 04 Dec 2014 23:40:35 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A255B8848; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 23:40:35 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <5480E5E7.4010803@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:53:27 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178881 Archived-At: > But seriously -- if there's some way we can help you recharge your batteries > please let us know. The issue is not just to recharge my batteries but to lighten the load. I see various ways that could happen: - Someone else could take care of GNU ELPA (look for new packages, collect signatures, improve the infrastructure, ...). - More people helping deal with bug-reports at all levels: classify bugs, tag them, make sure we reply to each one of them, make sure we have enough data from the reporter, help pinpoint the actual bug, write a sample patch. - Setup some kind of patch-queue-manager so we can review patches and let the pqm do the commit/push itself. - I find the bug-tracker not helpful enough. Not sure if it's my fault for not using it well enough, maybe. I keep feeling like I can't get a good overview of which bugs I should focus on, and to make sure all bugs receive enough attention (I hate this constant feeling I have that most bug reports go simply unanswered). - Spend less time arguing and more time coding. E.g. package.el still doesn't keep track of which packages have been explicitly installed by the user. There's still no code to bundle GNU ELPA packages in the tarball releases. - The resistance to change on CC-mode's side didn't help my morale. But also I think on the coding side I don't have that much to contribute to Emacs nowadays, and it's time for someone else to take over, with fresh new ideas. Stefan