From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: [OFFTOPIC] Free Software (was: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers) Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 17:16:17 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4XvMn7QQudwuCq-3cSOnqK_gBoHnmblv2--PKi2oupbCsZwaxxrzA2Chwb6LEzzg1TYjAJNboC8lwPgw8VA5IhYUBs-Jly9HfTqPtsgZUHg=@protonmail.com> <01502186-69cb-86fb-612e-868068e7a998@yandex.ru> <6e2c9c07-31c4-38eb-c679-7e680f9f02ed@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="36007"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: ndame , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Richard Stallman , Dmitry Gutov To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 02 23:18:07 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jUzWQ-0009Gn-JF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 23:18:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50444 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUzWP-0002rH-Eg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 17:18:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49862) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUzUl-0001ar-DS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 17:16:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUzUj-0006kc-Pk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 17:16:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:19111) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUzUj-0006iw-9M; Sat, 02 May 2020 17:16:21 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 16326100F6C; Sat, 2 May 2020 17:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8C0FB100EE7; Sat, 2 May 2020 17:16:18 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1588454178; bh=1rRbwg5SZDtac7Z/shsvoYrzMy90YhIGCNSRX3nLZU0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=eDpcvIdxJ9zHEeemr1I3XZgq+fXwoFaBqHet0LMTDLk11lZjsixCYG0Km3IlN67Zp oHKSMPi/qnCz/YTitzdUCmvxvD57wjukXy5T/r2+piwPBYVb+J+RxBt14524mYTzW+ PbTdcyw1V5AMBFWjUuAq5jdrNs5yqwh6/kJiYBrmm+xOcMbo7Y3SPYNBPAXWtv92ze t04CirzM9E+UIZi7kUBd/kwAlfoaXZu7bPSzY1W3Jr1JU9GqblryoAYE06nI5Tth7x s3SLVJJvhjY50n57gCN4jOFTUlvdHTiBtL1l1pDDIDB1AUjTWEBiVghBwmzO8Il7Ec le35lmPwP3Dqw== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.3.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 275D81206B5; Sat, 2 May 2020 17:16:18 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Arthur Miller's message of "Sat, 02 May 2020 20:55:33 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/02 16:40:06 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 132.204.25.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248579 Archived-At: >>> I don't know, but it >>> seems like both Vi(m) & Emacs have got a revival lately. >> That's true for FOSS editors in general, though. We didn't have so many good >> options before. > Indeed, seems as a general trend, we have never had so much FOSS > software in general, not just editos, but everything, from AI research > to Game Engines, 3D Editors, compilers, libraries, you name it. Seems > like world has realized power of open source, which is great. Sadly, I believe this only applies to a particular subset of the uses of computers. Maybe we could describe it as the subset that applies to desktop computers. In the tablet/phone world, Free Software is not nearly as prevalent (instead, in that sphere, the most prevalent is freeware which is a name that mostly disappeared, replaced by the name "free software"). Stefan