From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient Date: Sun, 03 May 2020 00:24:28 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87368npxw4.fsf@bernoul.li> <87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li> <83y2qezlpd.fsf@gnu.org> <83tv12zjx1.fsf@gnu.org> <20200429101755.GF24737@tuxteam.de> <838sicw4do.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhaqu89z.fsf@gnu.org> <83sggiu2p9.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="13100"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 03 06:25:09 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jV6Bh-0003Ii-Cw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 06:25:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36070 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jV6Bf-00065Y-FV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 00:25:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45986) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jV6B8-0005gT-Nt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 00:24:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:51172) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jV6B7-00073K-AO; Sun, 03 May 2020 00:24:34 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A79B544FBE3; Sun, 3 May 2020 00:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id AE47444F3F0; Sun, 3 May 2020 00:24:29 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1588479869; bh=0lh64kXcrFHqPM0VXBOfmz1pi6uE3+KEHsSSoSpI7CU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Z5tLBQXGzd16SzZV7LVgAhHW4Z/9RkLSYtYvOxgUWDHvOlApU7b8HQbra6xJYef5j OAGYTnvurONjPig9DM0jN10n9qiwCD3nKrOR1HjOsh8E4oEnavHycTRO40WyG7b+Yc mh4SIUVYGip1QR17iYPPBb3iwwg/WZNpha7pQp6JgU0H41uFX8fHH6v2jsNpUrxpAv 6m7q5he+sH8miMvQ3tp6xHalCOA9bi0c+OuyfxQfHEEt8L6hKQLV+L9uWPO+xKNfrM Ljs71eUwFty/SK2LPMZ5oS4/YBgSvmgNtzXbdhIFw2oEKw52KZ59ZPUkDuoKTjPJHA sMUdFQilmxkYA== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.3.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3E610120622; Sun, 3 May 2020 00:24:29 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 02 May 2020 23:43:36 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/02 23:26:12 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248635 Archived-At: > I think the cause of the problem is that they are talking with each > other and not with us. They've also talked with us. Emacs's core development is very averse to change. So whenever someone talks with us about change (whether coming from some hypothetical other community or not), it's usually refused. There are good reasons on both sides. It's hard to reconcile the needs of continuity with the desire to adapt to new practices. Stefan