From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Drop the Copyright Assignment requirement for Emacs Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 17:12:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <9mmFgzvrBwjt_n_VJyaJdXINraNi5HsGpwq-0MLeKiJA7kG2BQA4uywrzjyz7lpRS0OZDpjEi8lspOKYUA7P_QsODsDew_8nbH960G55fmY=@protonmail.com> <878silajdl.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87tv18pyh4.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83zhaih0oz.fsf@gnu.org> <83pnbegsvm.fsf@gnu.org> <547c9116-c1c3-8563-4aee-c62aa2302861@yandex.ru> <838shybfdo.fsf@gnu.org> <3f79ff6e-2471-fa6d-08ff-682afd504eca@yandex.ru> <83v9l29yz3.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8qujs0p.fsf@randomsample> <83lfly9vvs.fsf@gnu.org> <835zd29rjb.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="27281"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, deng@randomsample.de, Dmitry Gutov To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 11 23:14:05 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYFkS-0006xK-8F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 23:14:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38264 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYFkR-0004wM-9o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 17:14:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39590) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYFjS-00045q-D2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 17:13:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:14210) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYFjQ-00064w-9w; Mon, 11 May 2020 17:13:01 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 036E01009C4; Mon, 11 May 2020 17:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A1920100419; Mon, 11 May 2020 17:12:55 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1589231575; bh=u5PcVvF05d1CzMUrwncjgHUj2jYhcM6UKAoS/t5kLP0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=MAzHSf1DFcJJJUw7f6nndTFvsEBJMhHitzhbwmSc6HHRpL4RPolLPe1PUIxEkASZS HcMaQr1zdrglj23EB+3/Obj+okaqadOjrVNBxUZ5gENZVeozmOzwzJZ4JbEfttU1Lc zNRCh+Ajd3+ByiHaEamUd9EQ7JVXm4d0jkjv0eCeG4B3UrFeuNyq57nVbAv4SuIyBV YfJ7iXtLvDdjOIdzxLMfxv2PQ0mvPuIi6aoLuktBJIab08ZXgXAnzb6a9cbloxdc5n eczM0J/fc0GPZ9f4CDYt3Ch1MUWSZWP1wRWOXmXVSLYZZ8PJu9jKRG0FA5yIWUCIBD fsrhn2gIxG92w== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.3.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 48349120310; Mon, 11 May 2020 17:12:55 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <835zd29rjb.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 11 May 2020 22:54:00 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/11 10:58:52 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249895 Archived-At: > I don't think we should give up our standards to gain a couple of > marketing points. It is completely backwards, IMO, to put that cart > ahead of the horse. We are supposed to develop high-quality software > first and advertising ourselves second, not the other way around. Given the context, the above could be understood to mean that you consider that developers of MELPA packages are not part of "us" and don't develop high-quality software. I don't think that was your intention, but at the same time I'm not completely sure what you wanted to say because I don't see the direct connection with copyright assignments for GNU ELPA (which do nothing for the quality of software) nor with adding a hypothetical archive like MELPA-Libre (or GNU-ELPA-contrib) to our `package-archives`. Stefan