From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Standardizing more key bindings? Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2020 09:27:22 -0400 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39926"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: thibaut.verron@gmail.com, emacs-devel To: Nikolay Kudryavtsev Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 06 15:28:09 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kPn0i-000AIB-Fa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 15:28:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36404 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPn0h-00054i-HD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 09:28:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40976) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPn04-0004dd-G6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 09:27:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:33313) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPn02-00065l-0n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 09:27:27 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 67536440B8F; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 09:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 1F16B440830; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 09:27:23 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1601990843; bh=sTaGkH677uwEn0l2iRIXrvC10VtXgOzPRUy3iOgZ2CE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=PpiFgBqsfl/wNQcik7EpIuZMc9uxddhNpvutBmFY4Ja/VGxyhoFrJQOz7mqGGMsx1 e2p37YBaRotnw46XNYFEeq/M9QYh8bCDBvw9nf1CetTm/Mvq/9OhMUw2Wdb2Ce/qr2 96SNuGs7szm+Jmlnnn4w7Hb92lb/FhDB/otMuCNWPDJPTWKeiNdQ8GP1e0Pt1AQiY5 QyEqEbndtyf1apLcoFc/h4ogyyCDR356MySSjZRfwEJwnHJSMk47vdDqzhLGFeY5Gs Sgtk8CppCkitRMSLIJAHE+LwDNIqqcIzb7ak4sgc7FSoXyKoc6jmwCt3B74+7B1vCM QxUyG3psshlGg== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [157.52.9.240]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DFDCF12005B; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 09:27:22 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Nikolay Kudryavtsev's message of "Tue, 6 Oct 2020 15:53:22 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/06 09:08:42 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257164 Archived-At: > This led me to thinking that maybe Emacs actually needs a separate > intermediate level of abstraction for keybinding customization. I agree, but I don't know what such a thing would look like. > And the solution that came to my head is something akin to Clojure's > protocols. I don't know what this means, concretely. The only thing that seems "clear" is that to get the kind of "polymorphism" that corresponds to adapting to various styles of key-choices, we should devise a way for packages (other than key-choices packages like `evil-mode` or `god-mode`, obviously) to never specify/choose actual keys. Stefan