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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: 28.0.50; Proposal: slightly more efficient package-quickstart.el
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 10:36:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv4kclt8hm.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AM9PR09MB4977C92EBE1D4939F4B5513A96E49@AM9PR09MB4977.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com> (Arthur Miller's message of "Fri, 23 Jul 2021 00:38:36 +0200")

>>> Not so much, but it is not so much about noticable difference, more
>>> about not performing unnecessary computation.
> I agree that simplicity and code clarity is important, on many
> levels. But maybe we can have the cake and it it too, as you said 
> for wdired?

In the case of wdired there was a concrete gain.
Here it's only hypothetical, so the positive motivation is quite different.
Also `package-quickstart` is fairly tricky to troubleshoot (beyond removing
or refreshing the file).  To the end user it's largely a magical button,
so it's really important to make it work reliably.

IOW the incentives are strongly opposed to your proposition.

> Last weekend I tested actually myself to restructure how my packages are
> loaded. I noticed that init time increased after I added ~100 packages,
> just for test, and I didn't required anything of that into Emacs. So I
> tested the idea to put all .elc file into a single place and skipp in
> entirety this monstrosity of load-path that results after 200 packages
> are loaded. I got it to work to a degree, it least I got running Emacs,
> native compiler not complaining and most packages loaded, but I also got
> some cyclic dependency, notably for dired and semantic of all things,
> that actually rendered entire session unusable for the most part. I'll
> leave that for another day when I have some more time.

Moving the .elc files to a separate (short) list of directories indeed
one way we could address the situation where there are too many entries
on `load-path`.

Another way would be to scan `load-path` "once" and populate
a hash-table from that, after which (load "foo" ...) could be sped up by
looking up "foo" in the hash-table.

Still, that presumes that finding a file is the main issue, but I don't
know if that would indeed be true.

> (when (re-search-forward rx-path-beg nil t)
>             (goto-char (line-beginning-position))
>             (setq temp-point (point))
>             (forward-sexp)
>             (when (search-backward file nil t 1)
>               (goto-char temp-point)
>               (kill-sexp)))

I'd do something like

    (while (re-search-forward "^(add-to-list" nil t)
      (goto-char (match-beginning 0))
        (let ((start (point))
              (x (read (current-buffer))))
          ...)))


-- Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-23 14:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-20  0:27 28.0.50; Proposal: slightly more efficient package-quickstart.el Arthur Miller
2021-07-20  2:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-20  6:01   ` Arthur Miller
2021-07-20 15:49     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-22 22:38       ` Arthur Miller
2021-07-23 14:36         ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2021-07-23 14:50           ` Async rebuild package-quickstart after packages update? was " T.V Raman
2021-08-03 22:20             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-04  2:24               ` T.V Raman
2021-08-04  3:25                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-04 14:20                   ` T.V Raman
2021-08-04 17:19                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-04 18:36                       ` T.V Raman
2021-08-05  0:22                       ` T.V Raman
2021-08-05  6:00                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-05 14:17                           ` T.V Raman
2021-08-05 14:29                           ` T.V Raman
2021-08-05 14:59                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-05 15:21                               ` T.V Raman
2021-08-05 16:23                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-06  5:18                                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-06  6:39                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-06 13:20                                       ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-06 13:28                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-06 14:13                                           ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-06 14:53                                           ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-07  0:46                                             ` chad
2021-08-07  5:26                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-07  5:45                                               ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-06 14:24                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-06 14:29                                         ` T.V Raman
2021-08-05 16:25                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-05 16:57                                   ` T.V Raman
2021-08-05 17:03                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-05 18:11                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-05 18:23                                       ` T.V Raman
2021-08-05 19:48                                       ` On The Use(fullness) of make-thread " T.V Raman
2021-08-06  5:24                                       ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-07  4:19                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-08-07  5:38                                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-07-23 17:00           ` Arthur Miller
2021-07-23 22:26       ` Arthur Miller
2021-07-23 22:37         ` Arthur Miller

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