From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 08:46:23 -0400 Message-ID: References: <16338bdc2497fc51c6fb6d54ab370bfb@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83y27gijmz.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pmgnjy.fsf@gnu.org> <604da2cb10ac61f2b8b89a02c89056be@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83a6jtff87.fsf@gnu.org> <5ac7a31cf2959c31c262a3377c736a5a@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83ilygew7p.fsf@gnu.org> <83fstjdiwl.fsf@gnu.org> <871r534s2o.fsf@gmail.com> <87sfxgx09x.fsf@gmail.com> <87zgrmv1dr.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39768"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Richard Stallman , Phil Sainty , Alan Mackenzie , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel To: =?windows-1252?B?Sm/jbyBU4XZvcmE=?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 06 14:47:23 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mY6KQ-000A8W-D2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:47:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59446 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mY6KP-00024t-8F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 08:47:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36720) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mY6Jf-0001Me-IR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 08:46:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:16235) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mY6Ja-00007v-8H; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 08:46:33 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 3111680300; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 08:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A6C938040B; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 08:46:24 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1633524384; bh=DiEyoQkoM4VFgFLcVaGGB4nGhhH26qXKlhjD8Ko/OJg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=bog4g/cI0F2w5W6wt3nGsjz3sdKjpADP533FKcN85rfpGLfLEx6qrAtX5vaV+ekfm Hl5K5GnmE22zwXBBvaVLISyS6gy4svwDSgRzP7UD2448ZZEx0QE56oy/e9+10BzBmt C+YLhaFxF3endDkjR2oI9YQMdz3pd1xIg5AGaEyMMTINg4z0o18wFL/46zcjYckWdw E312GvqjCEP1G1iydOEbdevs7z63bGWJZv6rol5P+RZD31bvajTCwdSmfwNwzmVIah QxMtxWxiAAGX8RTPyesX13QmFxmL6vAtxRQiLYmfK/Dj5pN2KyEbxmnaKVpbs6Krlq PMFb8cIfB4lLA== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.241.23]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 530C51202F7; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 08:46:24 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Jo=E3o_T=E1vora=22's?= message of "Wed, 6 Oct 2021 13:30:56 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276431 Archived-At: > Yes, but if I reach that buffer from a query for s-foo, which was > in the completions list, and then decide, from there, that I want > s-bar instead, I'll be confused if it isn't in the completion list. Yes, shorthands make life a bit more complex. I don't think there's much we can do about that. > Right. But they could, legitimately, ask for this to supplant > the confusion explained above. No, I think that would make life yet a bit more complex. Better tell them to go back to the original buffer before hitting `C-h o` if/when they want that behavior. Stefan