From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Help sought understanding shorthands wrt modules/packages Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 15:53:27 -0400 Message-ID: References: <25a8a3a6-81c8-3fbc-434d-fb1b24ae1d62@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20158"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Juanma Barranquero , eller.helmut@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gerd =?windows-1252?Q?M=F6llmann?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 31 20:55:08 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1opasF-0004y6-Ux for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 20:55:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oparH-0002qd-6o; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 15:54:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1opaqj-0002Ta-MT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 15:53:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1opaqi-0000cW-0r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 15:53:33 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 49C4A805EE; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 15:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 0B8A38008E; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 15:53:29 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1667246009; bh=gnsHT6ZUgJuc1gm4XMxIOXpebPylwKhwDwo8o4+sUHY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=dki3nSN1NBTlVdLLmwj/LOk2aTtgMss6qlKzYsJDMP2VbNAJfxoKxgomBIDpYONBf LaWxsU3P2KLkAcjIEsy2hdVNbQTWmKrwIp198Ls0pGlRcZPbVIf8S6Jf9yc8ITZqth oSR5M649FZdqWkhllIEUR3HKwAbFRLjHwL3Mpcap5SJmnosEE3mHa77Hmi6eRml9FM 6b0KskDz9+Z06t1c4ig9DiwJ7deZMo1nkizEo9xdJHpTgXwC1NDWXQXp8Tl8a7L/te NMedB2G4NkvGJLmbT2rGXp+wrGzEONDyoHEC4Y2ywxKuRlMly3n58Rox9cJKABJU8h cjPD3PhGUVcgQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (modemcable021.147-23-96.mc.videotron.ca [96.23.147.21]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BD933120F3E; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 15:53:28 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: ("Gerd =?windows-1252?Q?M=F6l?= =?windows-1252?Q?lmann=22's?= message of "Mon, 31 Oct 2022 13:57:54 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:298886 Archived-At: > And good look with xref, grep and alike. FWIW, I think these are about equally problematic for *all* namespace/module systems. In my book, they are the strongest argument for the status quo. Stefan