From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding use-package to core Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 10:26:24 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87fsemjs7v.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wn7skqne.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <83h6yw9hhf.fsf@gnu.org> <87h6ywgfii.fsf@posteo.net> <83edtza04u.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3677"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Philip Kaludercic , spwhitton@spwhitton.name, luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, xenodasein@tutanota.de To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 19 16:27:17 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1owPkS-0000mQ-Qi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 16:27:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owPju-0003sa-6X; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 10:26:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owPjr-0003pq-S0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 10:26:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owPjj-0003bm-AB; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 10:26:39 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id CE9668065C; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 10:26:26 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 7144080014; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 10:26:25 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1668871585; bh=yC49h0HHSd+ikPs8L9GjZ1T85pz3W4EmwyhzBhw0Dz8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=g6H1+1KZ5CANnDT3G7rg/29SgNJY+TlHAz4xZH1r+1xKaJay1ZHrDfZn/8VDwpI7F 8VfqmFSTKpbRRC9kTHkVcGEvvvCZgnbjO//Qhz+BcYofaw6O3IhBMBJQ62A/khhIbV DmMV6GxHg4zu3D2zV2MeqJ1yF+7oD0V+L5bmQPPz9eifBlAM9iJQwq9KYvuC1S7ZKh QH/19f+auACcocdjvZrFvHEob8uvTJRyXlFYXL2Gddq+Q/cLsoVHtoCnvCNb9PjGza sHzgCRVX5PISwPI5li8xcdK6xGyI5Drju6kIqGAGiDwCqr16k+gtifStAm0CstX3Ra 84m9bkAizL3yg== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [104.247.241.157]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2B7EC120E69; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 10:26:25 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83edtza04u.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 19 Nov 2022 09:12:17 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:300184 Archived-At: > Packages that we'd like to have in Emacs, but for some reason are on > ELPA instead. Yup. I think it would grow a bit in the same kind of way that we've added packages to Emacs in the past with similar tradeoffs between offering a better "out of the box" experience and increasing the size of the Emacs tarball too much. > ELPA admits packages that do the same job as other packages, and also > packages that do some jobs that are extremely niche jobs. > So including everything makes very little sense to me. Agreed. Also there's the question of code quality. Think of it a bit like NonGNU ELPA: in theory we could add almost all "Melpa packages to NonGNU ELPA" (aka "GNU ELPA packages to Emacs"), but instead we add them one by one. Stefan