From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bug spam Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:23:04 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87iqb5o7ie.fsf@red-bean.com> <878wc1h524.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <874omph4f0.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pr5dmqfw.fsf@red-bean.com> <877hrl1m5m.fsf@telefonica.net> <86hbqpctyh.fsf_-_@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1263483643 23153 80.91.229.12 (14 Jan 2010 15:40:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes , Karl Fogel , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 14 16:40:36 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NVRnq-0002ms-Ll for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:40:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52114 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NVRnq-0006Wr-Sx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:40:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NVRXe-0000hn-UJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:23:23 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NVRXa-0000bb-5K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:23:22 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38789 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NVRXZ-0000bI-MZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:23:18 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:31469 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NVRXN-000621-Ut; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:23:06 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq8EAK7FTktFxLLV/2dsb2JhbACBRdc7hDAEhXGERQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,275,1262581200"; d="scan'208";a="53740236" Original-Received: from 69-196-178-213.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.178.213]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 14 Jan 2010 10:23:04 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A2A2670033; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:23:04 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:21:48 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:119997 Archived-At: > Why can't we? Don't know that we can't. I just don't know enough about how it works, but I presumed that it's only setup to work for mailing lists @gnu.org. An "easy" solution would be to add yet more forwarding hoops: gnu-emacs-bug@gnu.org and *@debbugs.gnu.org would first be sent over to emacs-debbugs-internal@gnu.org where we use GNU's listhelper moderation and that list would have a single subscriber which is the real "submit@debbugs.gnu.org" (which later on re-forwards to the subscribers of gnu-emacs-bug@gnu.org. > But IIUC, that just runs SpamAssassin to discard obvious spam via > automatic replies to Mailman moderation messages, That sounds backward: it would make a lot more sense (efficiencywise and codingwise) to pass the emails through spamassassin before handing them over to Mailman. But the main point is that it's not just SpamAssassin: it uses a set of human moderator-volunteers, and they get to share acceptance/rejection rules across all lists. The current debbugs moderation is pretty taxing in human time, because of the enormous amount of spam that it gets. Stefan