From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: smtp crap Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:00:33 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8739f4kzp3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ipo0p1bc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <58C87CB9F44943A7BBE78F2D6B62A850@us.oracle.com> <5997613E240C402C877A76C688773E65@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1319677244 31012 80.91.229.12 (27 Oct 2011 01:00:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , Miles Bader , ding@gnus.org, Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 27 03:00:40 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJEKm-0004Cl-6C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:00:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54477 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJEKl-0004eT-S2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:00:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:52340) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJEKi-0004eD-Hy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:00:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJEKh-0004C2-I0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:00:36 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]:20715 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJEKh-0004By-FV; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:00:35 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak0JAMmsqE5MCrTo/2dsb2JhbABCqD+BD4EGgW4BAQQBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiBO1LYhqBKFAhEU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,412,1315195200"; d="scan'208";a="144668879" Original-Received: from 76-10-180-232.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.180.232]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 26 Oct 2011 21:00:33 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8E16659011; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 21:00:33 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Tim Cross's message of "Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:23:50 +1100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.183 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:145611 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:80431 Archived-At: >> Users reporting a bug with `emacs -Q' should not have to specify ANYTHING about >> email methods. Users have no reason to report bugs with "emacs -Q". I won't stand in their way if they want to do so, but it is a use-case that I consider irrelevant. > The usual workflow is to save backtraces and other bug report relevant > data into files, quit Emacs, start Emacs without -Q and then do the > bug report submission. Almost, except that the "Emacs without -Q" doesn't need to be started, since it's been running for the last few days at least. Stefan