From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Request: Use message instead of message_with_string for user visible output? Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:54:14 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1383080063 18445 80.91.229.3 (29 Oct 2013 20:54:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 20:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "T.V. Raman" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 29 21:54:27 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VbGJ0-0003iC-Qw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 21:54:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49350 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VbGJ0-00039a-C3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:54:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58263) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VbGIq-000399-2Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:54:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VbGIi-0007pL-PC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:54:16 -0400 Original-Received: from relais.videotron.ca ([24.201.245.36]:16890) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VbGIi-0007pA-LS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:54:08 -0400 Original-Received: from ceviche.home ([24.201.53.56]) by VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MVG00AAN7E74EH0@VL-VM-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6B0E76609A; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:54:14 -0400 (EDT) In-reply-to: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 24.201.245.36 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:164657 Archived-At: > Could you please update keyboard.c to call message instead of > message_with_string when the user presses a key that is > undefined? I've changed the code to call `undefined' which then uses `message'. > I understand that opinions re advice is mixed with some > considering it a kluge, but kluge or not, it's stood Emacspeak > in good stead and helped create a solution that has made me and > others very productive over the last 18 years:-) Advice is great, indeed. But w generally try to take existing advices as indication that we should add hooks and/or refactor code so that those pieces of advice aren't needed any more. But don't worry: emacspeak is not the only package that's been relying on advice for many years. `unquify' is another one that even comes bundled with Emacs. Stefan