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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: CC Mode and electric-pair "problem".
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 02:38:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv36xje19f.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 8f6c273f-9a20-0744-7f26-533aabb97a48@gmail.com

>> 1- Make sure the programmer is aware there's a problem in its code.
>>    I.e. highlight the opening quote or the non-escaped end-of-line or
>>    something in bright red or something like that.
> Agreed.  Given this criterion, the patch is an improvement: making sure that
> lines past the first one are not highlighted suppresses the risk of
> misleading the programmer into thinking that they have a multiline-string.

The old behavior highlighted the opening (and not-closed on the same
line) quote in font-lock-warning-face, which seemed perfectly adequate.

> (This happens to me from time to time in Python, actually: I write "abc
> def" instead of """abc
> def""", and the highlighting doesn't immediately reveal the error.
> Simply not highlighting the second line would help a lot.

It's easier to highlight the unmatched opener than to try and prevent
the second line from being highlighted (and you want to highlight that
opener in any case).

>> 2- Don't try to guess what the user intended to do.
>>    Instead keep our code as simple as possible: the C code we're handed
>>    is broken, so there's no real clear "right behavior" anyway.
>
> I'm not sure whether we can afford to bail out like that — for people who
> don't use some form of structured editing, most of the code that the IDE
> ends up seeing is broken in some way (unmatched { or ", incomplete
> declarations, incorrect numbers of arguments, undeclared identifiers, etc.)

Not sure what you mean by "bail out".  Point 1 has added highlighting to
warn the user about the presence of a problem.  Short of changing the
actual code behind the user's back, there's really not much more we can
do to prevent the compiler/IDE from seeing that broken code.

> Modeling our error recovery behaviors on the one used by relevant compilers
> seems like a pretty good approach (ultimately, for the modes I maintain, I'd
> like to delegate fontification to a language server provided by the
> compiler).

Point 2 suggest to go with the simplest implementation (i.e. let the
behavior be dictated by the implementation), so if your highlighting is
provided by LSP (say), then point 2 would suggest that there's no point
trying to provide a different behavior from the one provided by the
LSP server.


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-19  6:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-22  7:42 [Emacs-diffs] master bb591f139f: Enhance CC Mode's fontification, etc., of unterminated strings Tino Calancha
2018-05-22 17:40 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-05-22 19:21   ` João Távora
2018-05-22 19:34     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-22 20:25       ` João Távora
2018-05-22 22:17         ` João Távora
2018-05-23 14:52           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-23 20:46     ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-05-23 21:12       ` João Távora
2018-05-23 23:21     ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2018-05-31 12:37 ` CC Mode and electric-pair "problem". (Was: ... master bb591f139f: Enhance CC Mode's fontification, etc., of unterminated strings.) Alan Mackenzie
2018-05-31 16:07   ` CC Mode and electric-pair "problem" João Távora
2018-05-31 17:28     ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-05-31 18:37       ` João Távora
2018-06-02 13:02         ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-06-03  3:00           ` João Távora
2018-06-17 16:58   ` Glenn Morris
2018-06-17 20:13     ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-06-17 21:07       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-06-17 21:27       ` João Távora
2018-06-18 10:36         ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-06-18 13:24           ` João Távora
2018-06-18 15:18             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-18 15:37               ` João Távora
2018-06-18 16:46                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-18 17:21                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-18 23:49                   ` João Távora
2018-06-19  2:37                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-19  8:13                       ` João Távora
2018-06-19 16:59                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-19 19:40                           ` João Távora
2018-06-18 20:24                 ` Glenn Morris
2018-06-19  2:03                   ` João Távora
2018-06-18 15:42             ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-06-18 17:01               ` João Távora
2018-06-18 18:07                 ` Yuri Khan
2018-06-18 22:52                   ` João Távora
2018-06-18 18:08                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-06-18 23:43                   ` João Távora
2018-06-19  1:35                     ` João Távora
2018-06-19  1:48                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-06-19  3:52                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-06-19  6:38                       ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2018-06-20 13:48                         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-06-26 16:08                     ` Fontifying unterminated strings [was: CC Mode and electric-pair "problem".] Alan Mackenzie
2018-06-26 20:02                       ` João Távora
2018-06-28 23:56                       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-06-29  0:43                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-06-18 22:41                 ` CC Mode and electric-pair "problem" Stephen Leake
2018-06-19  0:02                   ` João Távora
2018-06-19  3:15                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-06-19  8:16                     ` João Távora
2018-06-19  5:02                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-06-20 14:16                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-06-26 18:23                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-06-27 13:37                       ` João Távora
2018-06-29  3:42                       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-06-30 18:09                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-07-01  3:37                           ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-01 15:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-06 21:58                             ` Stephen Leake
2018-07-01 15:57                           ` Paul Eggert
2018-06-27 18:27                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-06-29  4:11                       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-06-30 19:03                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-06-30 19:29                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-30 20:14                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-07-01  3:50                               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-01  9:58                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-07-01 11:22                               ` João Távora
2018-07-01 15:25                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-01 15:22                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-01 16:38                                 ` scratch/fontify-open-string. [Was: CC Mode and electric-pair "problem".] Alan Mackenzie
2018-07-08  8:29                                   ` Stephen Leake
2018-07-15  9:00                                     ` Stephen Leake
2018-07-15 15:13                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-15 18:45                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-07-16  2:23                                           ` Indentation of ?: in C-mode (was: scratch/fontify-open-string. [Was: CC Mode and electric-pair "problem".]) Stefan Monnier
2018-07-16 14:18                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-16 15:54                                               ` Indentation of ?: in C-mode Stefan Monnier
2018-07-15 16:56                                       ` scratch/fontify-open-string. [Was: CC Mode and electric-pair "problem".] Alan Mackenzie
2018-07-17  3:41                                         ` Stephen Leake
2018-07-01  4:02                           ` CC Mode and electric-pair "problem" Stefan Monnier
2018-07-01 10:58                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-07-01 11:46                               ` João Távora
2018-07-01 16:13                               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-01 18:18                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-07-01 23:16                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-02 19:18                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-07-03  2:10                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-06-26 18:52                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-06-26 19:45                     ` João Távora
2018-06-26 20:09                       ` Alan Mackenzie

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