From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:50:36 -0400 Message-ID: References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87imhw431x.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mu78huhx.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> <87k12bdgx7.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r1wi7a8o.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="69999"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Tim Cross , Stefan Kangas , =?windows-1252?Q?S=E9bastien?= Gendre , Emacs developers To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 20 15:51:39 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jQWpm-000I5x-6t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 15:51:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36132 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQWpl-0005Mm-85 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:51:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36392 helo=eggs1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQWow-0004W2-1J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:50:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs1p.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQWor-0006ry-4Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:50:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:40023) by eggs1p.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQWoq-0006pa-Mf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:50:40 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8F782450285; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 1E53D450281; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:50:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1587390638; bh=S8QgG2CnMFJvBX3hVP2sW7FAKouMrKOHyYOOk0VncRc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=e8FZF585foDKT2XeIWpGIHBlzCwkZLi1Sn8EA7g/gRIm2c3o6iTa+gAhVhk1awIuR fVtx1jzLY3oSdvUi7o4BbF7Zlt/T0rhTfTRbXTawSZRfyv/+DsWYTOuFUjrsXatNUJ 3nHFc6cul0bZ+0+8sN4Sz8GHAenE5hSUQ8fcfoXoobCRUiQOpZ3IXrUi8kd6Z6WdcG /NWbI6jw8ZMr9gn8XgwGMtR3rWDW8rZmXWz4aYxMFCcWqCIthCfrOK9HrUtXQtGuld RvXnJ7mit34KVCCHMY/bV+sXOq4qn6Le0N4FB35f8RlUaDUPKjX4hKONM5IC1bSfk8 YGlKHkiWXSC/w== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [104.247.241.114]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CF6621207A4; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:50:37 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87r1wi7a8o.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:54:47 +0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs1p.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/20 09:09:43 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 132.204.25.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247384 Archived-At: For the record, I have a proof-of-concept package for GNU ELPA which I call `gnu-elpa` and which just adds "most" of the autoloads found in GNU ELPA packages (along with the corresponding changes to `auto-mode-alist`), such that `M-x eglot` or opening a smalltalk file will prompt the user if they want to install the corresponding package. It's not as good as activating `eglot` and `company`, but I think such a `gnu-elpa` package should ideally be bundled with Emacs-28. Stefan