From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PL support Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:54:04 -0400 Message-ID: References: <9mmFgzvrBwjt_n_VJyaJdXINraNi5HsGpwq-0MLeKiJA7kG2BQA4uywrzjyz7lpRS0OZDpjEi8lspOKYUA7P_QsODsDew_8nbH960G55fmY=@protonmail.com> <83imh5dnun.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7wpdms7.fsf@gnu.org> <83ftc9dm07.fsf@gnu.org> <0d678371-2df7-519e-5ec0-7e26bfa6ea34@gmail.com> <11dff979-002e-e03e-2e3e-cdb09fcc409e@yandex.ru> <8017be3d-a4ed-61eb-9bdb-9a95c77a0698@gmail.com> <3adf65ae-fd0d-4fee-adfd-e11d39a148fc@yandex.ru> <01e211df-acfb-fb8a-eedc-7cb439b64cd8@yandex.ru> <90C1E75D-214A-464E-AA24-25CC8C220B3B@icloud.com> <83pnbabjok.fsf@gnu.org> <83y2px98we.fsf@gnu.org> <838shx84ca.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="27156"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: cpitclaudel@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , pcr910303@icloud.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 12 19:55:01 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYZ7N-0006sM-9l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 19:55:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51112 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYZ7M-0002YG-C3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:55:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34494) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYZ6a-0001pv-EI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:54:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:63402) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYZ6Y-00011n-WA; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:54:11 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id D2A6B814CF; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B0FFE81099; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:54:06 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1589306046; bh=QCDNIW0Cf2wTxWwt2LixDjjtaxt9rzFmySKLdt9e0IY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=DvoryVtXkywvvr5K5LO2AhXmtOKVk4gS3kyBlK/apuP7/Mb6+5QoxW2rZ9/7yQelg F7I3ycsQvnPBNOIQyQr7dmFOQz5i2qJk2JJ1NrESJSynNRYAy8MnneZ5rMpiyiWaCE 8ZVX5/dT0jTCMdzWJUYXFR+TKox/9dp07gfk1KmsYTNyw9DtD53G+qgJaJYijb3qO7 05SZiPc2pBQLdAp6fL4E/JmAfK5AlbMk3YsRrD/4jh/Kjg4VrWkzUAh1IZvD15+nZ8 twr+rsDSHB1/ijNl6DId1BopRid9Oc0oVZ6GknPBC9s77QVwtGuC3fcj1nGEtyit+c yjqd1VUF9BxDg== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.3.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 58C2C120436; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:54:06 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <838shx84ca.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 12 May 2020 20:12:37 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/12 13:54:09 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250007 Archived-At: > I don't know what are MELPA-libre or ELPA Contrib. I proposed "MELPA-Libre" to mean a hypothetical archive, presumably managed under `melpa.org` which would contain a subset of MELPA limited to packages that do not promote proprietary software. Whether this can be arranged with the MELPA guys, I have no idea, nor do I know who would curate it. "ELPA-Contrib" was proposed to mean a hypothetical archive alongside GNU ELPA, with no copyright paperwork requirement (and basically no abiding by our coding convention either). The difference between the two is largely that "ELPA-Contrib" would be under `elpa.gnu.org` whereas "MELPA-Libre" would be under `melpa.org`. > It sounds like they are ideas, not real repositories. Indeed, they're proposals. > If the intent is to create package repositories that are not part of > the Emacs project, I have no objections (and even if I did, people > could rightfully ignore them). That's not how this works: the only reason for repositories like "ELPA-Contrib" or "MELPA-Libre" to exist would be that contrary to MELPA they'd be included in `package-archives` by default. So if you refuse to include them in `package-archives`, then the hypothetical repositories won't exist: people can't just ignore your objections. Stefan