From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Convert README.org to plain text README while installing package Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2022 09:39:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87leuca7v7.fsf@disroot.org> <87czfopmsd.fsf@gnu.org> <87h74ztshe.fsf@gmx.de> <871qw31ois.fsf@yahoo.com> <8735gj4ceo.fsf@gnu.org> <8735gj5ox3.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14557"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Tassilo Horn , Po Lu , Michael Albinus , Alan Mackenzie , Stefan Kangas , Akib Azmain Turja , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 05 15:40:23 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nxqUQ-0003f6-Tn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2022 15:40:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56092 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nxqUP-0003oF-Go for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2022 09:40:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55620) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nxqTP-00030t-DJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2022 09:39:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:36694) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nxqTN-0003ts-Mp; Sun, 05 Jun 2022 09:39:18 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 45FEF100796; Sun, 5 Jun 2022 09:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 034A6100171; Sun, 5 Jun 2022 09:39:15 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1654436355; bh=Rvn9+uZIYMDGpWxbvwLj+jj1jEeTledCfJ4nmY3n/o4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=EGhnwtunPJEQv3uTZ+87vIWfHfCBUhlv37DNvM7nc2XuSIWnGjLpioV3bUi39MkBv zf2Gt7ZlkeQpXDYZ+pU6N89pdiMLBamGPeIcGRz4SW+Klq+cJFNGkV8b7z7kk/PDa8 NkWWi07n00FDXle6jkPp3584ZtxJvgH4LMgqMnuD9ZGyW9IkcBLLj72m/gA4pZoF4+ E8uX//pwuQMTWofAUsgQS6xrLdmale6iV507/pmM3Nq3n1U7jsd3mc/8Fy7w2Mo7r0 RA5DBGYveB/Hd/an52r/LY8eBO6q2Xi5IzpgwoCwrGjAjoytRXe/SuUVpzLAnEupyM iTCmrP4txTEVg== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.221.51]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8E0C2120176; Sun, 5 Jun 2022 09:39:14 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <8735gj5ox3.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 05 Jun 2022 13:29:28 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290709 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen [2022-06-05 13:29:28] wrote: > Tassilo Horn writes: >> So the choice of format is natural for package authors. And they >> frequently contain markup like headings, bullet lists, bold, italics, >> and code snippets which simply look much better than their text-only >> alternative (even in their editing/non-rendered versions). > I think most of the hostility non-Org users have towards Org files is > the experience of opening one, only seeing a couple of lines with "..." > after them and then going "AAARGH", killing the buffer, and using > `find-file-literally' on it. There's also the annoying delay, of course (as in "oh, so it takes a long time to load in order to then mess it up!?") We should take these as challenges to improve org-mode rather than as reasons to stay away from it. Stefan