From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 10:29:58 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87ilmlluxq.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87ilmlluxq.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h725olz1.fsf@gnus.org> <87zgfxn6lt.fsf@gnus.org> <87tu65k9ec.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r119lnsd.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtbxlnf1.fsf@gnus.org> <87czctk890.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a67xlm9v.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtbxiswr.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14817"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 21 16:31:37 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oPlzE-0003hd-D2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:31:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40912 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oPlzD-00021D-9J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 10:31:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47640) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oPlxm-0001Eq-8n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 10:30:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:53712) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oPlxj-0001Tz-KE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 10:30:05 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id D47D6100138; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 10:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 5692A10010E; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 10:30:00 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1661092200; bh=cGEmFh21Dy+St53JeXs+SGkeJGtr5cDT6ZbLcppVqK4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=l2e7HIvW4bQM5Ar7qpfgSYklZUqy1873O18+ZwZCjmZO5fNOxIY/5kSMi6xdZSeFU Gb4TVI01TtPdx2/z5o7+Lwbk9Z3hzZ5cQRJyX/0/ptKA0an5pjECMqpHcSvzgHOVkd q07lHbBHLi8wQCXdqS3/OS2xxcCTewLMdf3xMayOufadyRxbvgoNk+K5XyQQPaNR0B 0D4/OfRX5MVFYu238yvS29MY/ezyCRq7yx3/JjzxTn5Xf29ZMUR5284mTvmLg000ML 0KBcDupby4UtVG28KJAeLQ0s53fmC03WHci8m2ZEFT2yyhI7X2KBwCTt+tWFEZrzAf 2zaqaFTJixNTg== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.195.111]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1476712044B; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 10:30:00 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87mtbxiswr.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Sun, 21 Aug 2022 22:16:04 +0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293730 Archived-At: Po Lu [2022-08-21 22:16:04] wrote: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >> Most users don't choose the toolkits -- they use whatever the >> distribution has configured. And since most of those use a variation on >> Gnome Shell, it's natural for the distributions to use the Gtk toolkit >> for Emacs. > Can't we shout at them to do something else? I've seen the Debian Emacs > packager here somewhere. Indeed, Rob does pay attention to what we say. He also has to pay attention to what other people say. We all think we're right. Stefan "using Emacs with Lucid, mostly"