From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Fetching or installing package dev source from VCS: manual style Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2022 10:03:18 -0400 Message-ID: References: <164484721900.31751.1453162457552427931@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20220214140020.04438C00891@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <87bkqmqpvb.fsf@posteo.net> <871qris3xb.fsf@gnus.org> <877d1aqoc1.fsf@posteo.net> <87edvhqdrb.fsf@gnus.org> <871qrh2hh6.fsf@posteo.net> <87mta5oyec.fsf@gnus.org> <87sfjx10x1.fsf@posteo.net> <875ygsp0ng.fsf@gnus.org> <87h70c9bu4.fsf@posteo.net> <874jw73cjy.fsf@posteo.net> <877d0z5216.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40334"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Philip Kaludercic , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 18 16:44:18 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oknpJ-000AIU-93 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 16:44:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50032 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oknpH-00006z-OK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 10:44:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46818) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oknBn-0000je-Ve for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 10:03:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:22295) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oknBl-0002V7-K4; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 10:03:27 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8A55C442872; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 10:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id CC86744111C; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 10:03:19 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1666101799; bh=JaBz5ldNxngaCYE3dYmN43+GrhuE94OglKW2yvwzo0k=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=af2BDwBpf3//caEUKJu9eQYzte2vMO2hLir1u7R3ylqG3JPPd3UCMq06OvKLp/l8i 6WCICsQZK1KHXZOZ1FDgoPxrqy5L7TdLG5b32RSf/uLZzRDZEyMh3Apc42J3Wsh9AZ ID47Lz4tZOY65dlylEYjoZBz/v5Z3/2lSX8MXei6VsXZWmSaNDkLgUvLWdrTzORrww KPNMVXCQsqkcinbWYZqjHfyxerTegdnVXH6f91T/2WxPqSAbB7AjnFOkYymqynLE2q rXmVLbO285BqflqNA7fyoMfpBj6ZMMuURlKGU2oQU5FWh0emLwMh55DWRWJfTylDpn taMVxS9ZSd7NQ== Original-Received: from pastel (65-110-220-202.cpe.pppoe.ca [65.110.220.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9DF65120E74; Tue, 18 Oct 2022 10:03:19 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 18 Oct 2022 08:04:08 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:298048 Archived-At: > > @findex package-vc-install > > One way to do this is to use @code{package-vc-install}, to fetch the > > source code for a package directly from source. > > I contend that `package-dev-source' or `package-upstream-source' > is a better name than `package-vc-install'. > > They are better because they describe the crucial difference for which > you would use that command: to get the development source rather than > the current release source. It is true that the development source > will usually come from a VCS, but that's an secondary detail, not the > crucial point. I don't have a strong opinion either way, but I'll note that the purpose of this new feature is to fetch&install the code from a VCS. It's not to fetch the "development" code instead of the "release" code (that's already served by the difference between GNU ELPA and GNU-devel ELPA). E.g. so you can have local changes while still tracking upstream updates. There are some technical hurdles that make it harder for `package-vc-install` to track upstream "releases" rather than upstream "development" (at least in the general case: in a case like Org where releases come from a separate branch it can be pretty easy), but it's definitely doable and I actually hope we'll be able to add such a feature at some point. Stefan