From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Finalizing 'inhibit-automatic-native-compilation' Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 12:18:33 -0500 Message-ID: References: <837cx8cey0.fsf@gnu.org> <83357vauh5.fsf@gnu.org> <837cx6a8me.fsf@gnu.org> <83357ua6ja.fsf@gnu.org> <83zga28ra8.fsf@gnu.org> <83r0vd97s0.fsf@gnu.org> <83lell73yv.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0145guk.fsf@gnu.org> <83lelk3q9s.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35428"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org, larsi@gnus.org, rlb@defaultvalue.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 30 18:19:15 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pMXoJ-0008wh-Gr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 18:19:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pMXno-00009Q-KU; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 12:18:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pMXnm-00008z-Lx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 12:18:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pMXnk-0004RQ-NM; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 12:18:42 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 2E20610002A; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 12:18:38 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 48B1A10000D; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 12:18:36 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1675099116; bh=/spQ2RDf7X6FSkTpffFcqtprc4FdfnmrcovpqGG69Xg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=OZ/0RQ5X2tBDKskbdwHLLb1pdzBln8S68dPJBgcKhyuK4VbnkqlmxmEAvPC/j+EHi D+20JTz1DdPhF98uUKY7LlM/sKpWSPVC7U2z1mHcu+MXWR9P4ibrIYWs0pjDEsFbcd hUNJ93sSnBHGkPu9k+AeG4k1UCnWL3NpK3bmAYiadZ1YVm9KZe574Hxh4S1ku0GV1b R7Tgl5belfAskhN9L23C/J/M8nw2vR+jp6zoYLlvOX5mPzDnWqd+o6alprNViWiLXB 5hYYnzz9lAjSPQuNagh6DHCY2AkjP0ZGDAGLwsIhzf4evf7SQ5zOAQs1nnfUvvR6FO mI6uboL1+gYuw== Original-Received: from pastel (69-165-135-136.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.165.135.136]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0FC1D122508; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 12:18:36 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83lelk3q9s.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 30 Jan 2023 19:07:11 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:302803 Archived-At: >> > Are you alluding to some uses we've heard about, or is this just a >> > theoretical possibility? AFAIU, for this to be a real issue, we'd >> > need a use where the user (a) disables native-compilation for some >> > reason, but (b) still wants advices of natively-compiled code to >> > work. Why would someone do something like that? >> >> (a) definitely happens. >> (b) is completely outside the control of the user, it's just a matter of >> the user using a package which relies on such an advice. I'd be very >> surprised if this never happens. > > I asked why would advice be needed while compiling/loading files with > natively-compilation disabled? Since this is only relevant for Emacsen compiled with native-compilation support, the natively compiled code would presumably come from the pre-native-compiled files that are bundled/dumped with Emacs. And then the rest of the code (the one that installs the advice, for example) may or may not be native-compiled: that doesn't make a difference to the need for a trampoline. Stefan