From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:09:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87r70l2xza.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153105766 4636 80.91.229.2 (17 Jul 2006 03:09:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 17 05:09:23 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2JTz-0006W0-AM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:09:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2JTy-0008AO-JL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:09:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2JTk-00087V-6D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:09:04 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2JTi-00087J-ML for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:09:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2JTi-00087G-H9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:09:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [209.226.175.34] (helo=tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2JWI-0005Tv-4O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:11:42 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([70.55.80.113]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060717030901.HFFA29052.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@localhost>; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:09:01 -0400 Original-Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 20848) id B46888E95; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: belanger@truman.edu In-Reply-To: <87r70l2xza.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> (Jay Belanger's message of "Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:42:01 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57146 Archived-At: > When it will be too late for many. If indeed it is better to use the > keyboard (and I think it is), it seems a bad idea to begin by teaching > bad habits, however easy these habits may be. I think it's pretentious to think that we can influence people's habits so easily. I think the best option to satisfy both camps is to end the tutorial with a section about "how to use Emacs more efficiently" where we describe key bindings for those operations that can easily be accomplished with arrow keys, mice, menu-bars, scroll-bars, you name it. Stefan