From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Sam Steingold <sds@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: gtk scroll bar deficiency
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:25:03 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv1wgi5mha.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <466D8F06.6010906@gnu.org> (Sam Steingold's message of "Mon\, 11 Jun 2007 14\:05\:58 -0400")
> I just built emacs with gtk for the first time and I was struck by the
> change in the scroll bar behavior (specifically, the location of the
> sliding "scroll thing" - what is its official name anyway?).
Some toolkits call it the "thumb".
> before: when the whole buffer is visible, the scroll thing in the bar
> occupies the whole scroll bar (clearly indicating that everything is
> visible); when the bottom of the buffer is visible, the scroll thing is
> at the bottom of the scroll bar. this is also the behavior of gedit,
> firefox, openoffice, gnumeric et al, and I like it.
> now: when the whole buffer is visible (more generally, when the bottom
> is visible), the scroll thing does not reach the bottom of the scroll
> bar - you can scroll down and, as the bottom of the buffer scrolls up,
> the scroll thing reaches the bottom of scroll bar (while decreasing in
> its size). this is the behavior of vim, and I hate it.
> is this change intentional?
> it looks like a bug to me...
I'm pretty sure it's intentional. It's not perfect, but the perfect
behavior (which you get with the non-toolkit build) tends to be difficult to
get with current toolkits because toolkit writers are boneheaded: they
prevent applications from doing some very useful things in order to force
them into a predefined mould which of course doesn't fit all.
Stefan
PS: Basically, they want to enforce limitations of the physical metaphor,
rather than let people benefit from the fact that it's only a metaphor and
thus doesn't need to suffer from the same limits. Soon they'll ask for
mouses with feedback so the user has to make a physical effort proportional
to the size of the text/window when sliding the thumb. Next thing you know,
the scrollbars will wear out and will need regular maintenance so they don't
get wedged.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-06-11 19:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-06-11 18:05 gtk scroll bar deficiency Sam Steingold
2007-06-11 19:25 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2007-06-11 19:54 ` Sam Steingold
2007-06-11 21:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-12 5:52 ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-12 5:57 ` Ralf Angeli
2007-06-12 6:06 ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-12 6:12 ` Ralf Angeli
2007-06-12 7:40 ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-15 20:51 ` Ralf Angeli
2007-06-12 11:09 ` David Reitter
2007-06-12 8:49 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-12 9:10 ` Jan Djärv
2007-06-12 13:04 ` Sam Steingold
2007-06-12 13:11 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-12 13:19 ` Sam Steingold
2007-06-12 15:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-12 22:38 ` Davis Herring
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-06-14 8:52 grischka
2007-06-14 9:20 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-14 11:56 ` grischka
2007-06-14 17:21 ` grischka
2007-06-14 18:22 ` David Reitter
2007-06-14 20:30 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-15 11:41 ` grischka
2007-06-15 14:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-18 13:32 ` grischka
2007-06-14 19:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-15 11:46 ` grischka
2007-06-15 14:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-15 15:56 ` Sam Steingold
2007-06-15 18:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-15 18:58 ` Sam Steingold
2007-06-14 9:24 ` Miles Bader
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