From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:58:26 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <8335c9dkyf.fsf@gnu.org> <83edvqafr7.fsf@gnu.org> <83h70m19yv.fsf@gnu.org> <87tu4mm7kt.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83sfk6yt3i.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsg69in3.fsf@gnus.org> <83k05iyrxw.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8201"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , rlb@defaultvalue.org, yandros@gmail.com, tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 02 21:59:33 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1of57d-0001zJ-8d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 21:59:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40682 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of57c-00016v-Ax for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:59:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46436) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of56f-0007cW-9z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:58:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:35331) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of56d-00023Y-Rk; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:58:32 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id DADDB100138; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 15:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 7AD221000D5; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 15:58:28 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1664740708; bh=80l5PnsHjllzrvgOvwANOQsHtL0DKvt+cMI4tA3sGZc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=P0Iq0/QPgj5SU55V274DNbNMsIVz0xU1rKzy9u8cHvz44bh8HYMxtXQPgm7KoM292 Ozw4E6WndLcj3i5pOo4+phdg9B30mhYSGE6yldEYibMzW03XH9GcQ0abCeVglwr8/P WvxVbuFHEHHS0aQJkHS1FWDT3f514lpSV77mEIC7P5UgVdN73VL0G01jKmiQbOmT+0 SNSaTYYG1nbY54rr2av2udthHk3WGYx3EQuaQY9gcJ+G0tU1Q56a2okOVYowe3MU/b c4a8A5Z1jthLTs0LTuS4Kt9RYwSfaIXBoY8KqeTvDGrjQ87qbaYQVzEl/0PvYaz9D3 8xZHtprlcEr4g== Original-Received: from pastel (65-110-220-202.cpe.pppoe.ca [65.110.220.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 26275120776; Sun, 2 Oct 2022 15:58:28 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83k05iyrxw.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 02 Oct 2022 21:57:15 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296703 Archived-At: > We are talking about optional packages, not about preloaded Lisp > files. The preloaded ones indeed go together with the pdumper file, > but the optional ones don't. Debian always recompiles separately all the .el files in third party packages (installed vi Debian) for all the installed Emacsen. IOW if you have `emacs24`, `xemacs`, and `emacs25` installed, you'll have 3 sets of .elc files for every ELisp package installed via Debian's package manager. So the `.eln` files aren't really more specific than the `.elc` in that setting (except for the situation where you have `emacs-lucid` and `emacs-gtk` and `emacs-nox` installed where these (unnecessarily) require different `.eln` files but will share the same `elc` files). Stefan