From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:15:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83czb1jrm3.fsf@gnu.org> <878rlo7on0.fsf@thornhill.no> <83k04y1gd2.fsf@gnu.org> <87wn8xbyr2.fsf@yahoo.com> <713135A0-FF74-43F5-969E-CECDF3C02DE6@gmail.com> <87sfjlbpw9.fsf@yahoo.com> <21B0931E-728E-4F17-8BC0-D8218BE65489@gnu.org> <87h701beqv.fsf@yahoo.com> <835ygh18w5.fsf@gnu.org> <87czan8hyn.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36934"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, casouri@gmail.com, acm@muc.de, theo@thornhill.no To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 20 03:19:17 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1olKDM-0009Lt-5n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 20 Oct 2022 03:19:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56782 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1olKDK-0005qW-O3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:19:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [::1] (port=45462 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1olKAa-0003Js-LN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:16:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50096) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1olK9T-0003GD-Qj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:15:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:8621) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1olK9R-0001SP-Q7; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:15:15 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 682724415EF; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id C60D44415EB; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:15:03 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1666228503; bh=P6jbQAFw4Vn8FTba6w5n5o98YYfB2rbETgciyEGrWFs=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=REFQdFx8Ug6WJfh+3HUBQIxuUFMHEbr8/SgbXnxMYd2FhHOwSG+kxSDZI9LomgNiC LAXAxbawrA/+BkgIin1T9Tvu2r6UOGKZC4hpFRbFT6aSabdKNMk0i0HP3mNCaCBU1C ahzyyK5/JAazE+ua4lT39OJq6/jteo5XhJQ0GhatApUu/R8EJzrfmZDkY/IDalUb5T OOy59Rb0XyoHHW9ckAz2twwLzCnm2j21/Ti5gwW5rB0gEL1UrSw5vc431azANd7LuL HsEjzqLE5TX8QFUUnag2uNuZ/mjCsnNcWLgsa2YuSGprru4BAEGFLA03JxDttreoZ9 7t7zLNdQsNEVw== Original-Received: from pastel (65-110-220-202.cpe.pppoe.ca [65.110.220.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 50F36120FAB; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:15:03 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87czan8hyn.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Thu, 20 Oct 2022 08:19:28 +0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:298132 Archived-At: > Trust me, I have my own bad experiences with CC Mode fontification. See > the slew of bugs I found and reported with Emacs 29's CC Mode just this > week: bug#58537, bug#58534, bug#58539. My problem is the blanket > dismissal of what CC Mode actually gets right that seems to be > alarmingly prevalent around here ("... in Emacs 30, let's get rid of CC > Mode!") Some people seem very optimistic about what tree-sitter will bring, yes. I think our track record should be enough to reassure users that we won't just throw away CC-mode if tree-sitter doesn't prove to be a worthy replacement *and* that it won't be thrown away any time soon even if tree-sitter is much better. Also, the fact that Alan still maintains CC-mode for Emacs-21 suggests that CC-mode will still be maintained well into the 2030s, regardless if it's still included in Emacs by then. So, let's all take a deep breath and just wait to see how things play out before we make any assumption or decision. Stefan