From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Merging scratch/no-purespace to remove unexec and purespace
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2025 19:09:56 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv1pxjla89.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87plljfxu5.fsf@protonmail.com> (Pip Cet's message of "Sun, 22 Dec 2024 17:10:55 +0000")
>> and the "special set" above is what we usually call the "remembered set".
>
> TBH, I'm not entirely sure about that one, and I see I misspoke there;
> while the object remains immortal (and thus "tenured"), it's no longer
> considered skippable; in effect, the object combines the disadvantages
> of being young and being old, permanently, rather than clearly being one
> of the two. I guess you could say we turn it into an additional root?
AFAIK in the context of generational GC, when a write-barrier records
a mutation in the old/tenured object, different GCs make different
choices w.r.t what is recorded in the "remembered set": the set may
record the new target of the pointer that's assigned (assuming it's
a pointer), or it record the address of the field that's mutated, or it
can record the actual object that's mutated, or it records a "card"
(i.e. a somewhat arbitrary memory region that contains the field,
usually sized and aligned on a power of 2), ...
So IMO what you describe still sits comfortably within the scope of
"remembered set".
> It becomes much closer to generational GC if you reintroduce "major" GCs
> which would recalculate the tenure of all objects, but that's where we
> hit the limits of "quick hack" territory, and I don't see a way of
> detecting when we would want to do so automatically.
Generational GCs don't have "a way of detecting when we would want to do
[a major GC] automatically" either. They just use heuristics.
Regarding "quick hack", I think the main issue is the write barrier.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-01-04 0:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-12-17 10:47 Merging scratch/no-purespace to remove unexec and purespace Stefan Kangas
2024-12-17 13:12 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-17 14:20 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-17 14:30 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-17 17:56 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-17 18:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-17 18:56 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-18 12:55 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-18 14:03 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-18 16:05 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-18 16:30 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-18 16:25 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-18 22:27 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-19 9:28 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-19 10:38 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-19 10:50 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-19 12:08 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-19 17:55 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-19 20:13 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-20 15:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-20 16:22 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-20 17:25 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-20 20:35 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-20 20:39 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-21 6:33 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-21 6:56 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-12-20 20:38 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-20 20:57 ` Gerd Möllmann
2025-01-03 22:36 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2025-01-03 23:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2025-01-04 7:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-04 11:12 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2025-01-04 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 19:05 ` Andrea Corallo
2025-01-07 12:46 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-20 8:42 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-18 0:18 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-17 19:30 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-17 20:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-18 2:15 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-18 7:11 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-18 13:35 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-18 6:56 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-21 17:41 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-21 18:32 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-21 22:19 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-22 1:28 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-22 11:12 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-22 13:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-22 14:12 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-22 15:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-22 17:09 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-22 17:10 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2025-01-04 0:09 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2024-12-22 13:13 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-22 14:16 ` Helmut Eller
2024-12-18 9:30 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-18 0:50 ` Po Lu
2024-12-18 2:12 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-18 21:26 ` Stefan Monnier
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