From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Idea for determining what users use Date: 01 Jun 2003 16:26:05 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054499573 28158 80.91.224.249 (1 Jun 2003 20:32:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 20:32:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 01 22:32:50 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19MZVa-0007JN-00 for ; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 22:32:50 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19MZlr-0006S4-00 for ; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 22:49:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19MZRb-0001bX-7m for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:28:43 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19MZRD-00015J-4L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:28:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19MZQb-0008QG-3w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:27:41 -0400 Original-Received: from colo.agora-net.com ([207.245.84.69]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19MZP8-00078C-19; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:26:10 -0400 Original-Received: from ttn by colo.agora-net.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1) id 19MZP3-0003qr-00; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:26:05 -0400 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:53:02 -0400" Original-Lines: 30 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14575 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14575 Richard Stallman writes: It sounds like you're concerned with a very different kind of question from the one I had in mind. it is different in some ways and alike in some ways. whether or not that passes the "very" threshold is a matter of interpretation. no worries, emacs' interpreter can handle it all. ;-> I am not sure what the issue is regarding hs-headline, but I get the impression you are considering an issue of preferences between two possible ways a feature could work. For that kind of case, we usually just take a poll. whatever you call it, when a programmer asks a question (any question) of me as a user about a program, i consider it a poll. if the question is hidden or put forth in a sneaky way, i wonder why it couldn't be asked openly, since i am very pleased to give feedback in that scenario. because i don't know the all details of a program, i make a distinction between questions that are indirect and those that are sneaky, not minding the former so much as the latter. all these are considerations are present when i think about things from the programmer pov, to figure how to best ask a question (any question) of a person like myself, to preserve relations. in another post you said people will correct others' misperceptions. that's fine, too. perhaps we will need to FAQify those corrections. thi